Trump to Rahm: Get Chicago violence under control or feds will step in

[Kraenen]

Meh

I mean really...it's usually criminals shooting other criminals, I say let em.

Except it basically means large areas of the city are unsafe to live in for other people (they avoid it so they don't get shot). Criminals ahve carved out some soil from American land for themselves when it should be open and free to anyone.

[Zeta333]

Strictest gun laws, highest homicide rate... maybe instead of asking that gun laws be enforced, you stop preventing law abiding citizens from having guns. Maybe Chicago Dems don't know that criminals don't obey the law...

preventing law abiding citizens wont do anything, chicago is a gang zone, just like when capone ran it back in the day, except this is worthless hood rat gangs shooting and killing eachother and nailing bystandards cus thier aim is so fucking shit. Need to let the mob back into chicago.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Expand on this. What needs to be done?

Police aren't dumb they know who the bangers are because they work those streets collecting intel and learning about the people.

And even if they didn't these bangers have no qualms over boldly identifying themselves with their ink, colors, gang signs, graffiti, etc.

So why don't the cops do anything about it?

Because the laws designed to provide due process to citizens end up shielding these bangers.

I say its time to drop RICO on these mothafukas and round them all up charge every one of them for any crime, max the sentencing to the extremes, and either discourage criminality or exterminate the criminals.

That or wall off the ganglands and just let them run shit how they want as long as they stay in the cage.

[Edge-]

Police aren't dumb they know who the bangers are because they work those streets collecting intel and learning about the people.

And even if they didn't these bangers have no qualms over boldly identifying themselves with their ink, colors, gang signs, graffiti, etc.

So why don't the cops do anything about it?

Because being a member of a gang, even a gang that's engaged in illegal activities, isn't a crime. Just like being a member of the KKK isn't a crime.

Yes, cops know who these gang members are. But they have to catch them doing something illegal, and be able to prove it in court. Or provide enough evidence to get a warrant for further searches etc.

Due process can be such a pain in the ass : (

Because the laws designed to provide due process to citizens end up shielding these bangers.

Because it has to. If it doesn't, it won't exist and the countless innocents that have been protected because of it would find themselves in a very different situation.

That or wall off the ganglands and just let them run shit how they want as long as they stay in the cage.

So is "PUT A WALL UP!" going to be the default response to every problem from Trump supporters? Because it's going to be pretty hilarious, just like proposing walling off the "ganglands" in Chicago is.

[Skaiz]

Police aren't dumb they know who the bangers are because they work those streets collecting intel and learning about the people.

And even if they didn't these bangers have no qualms over boldly identifying themselves with their ink, colors, gang signs, graffiti, etc.

So why don't the cops do anything about it?

Because the laws designed to provide due process to citizens end up shielding these bangers.

I say its time to drop RICO on these mothafukas and round them all up charge every one of them for any crime, max the sentencing to the extremes, and either discourage criminality or exterminate the criminals.

That or wall off the ganglands and just let them run shit how they want as long as they stay in the cage.

At this point I think it would take a armed APC patrolling streets with Marines doing door to door in black neighborhoods for about a year. The Mexican neighborhoods have really cleaned themselves up over the years tho. I've been living in one before and after my deployment and in about 6 years it did pretty good.

[THE Bigzoman]

What else can we do, reverse the trend of single parenthood and address urban gun culture? Nonsense.

Because it would hurt too many feelings.

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Meh

I mean really...it's usually criminals shooting other criminals, I say let em.

Except it's not uncommon for innocent bystanders, children even, to get caught in the crossfire.

You think these thugs actually know how to shoot? That's cute.

[Deleted]

Strictest gun laws, highest homicide rate... maybe instead of asking that gun laws be enforced, you stop preventing law abiding citizens from having guns. Maybe Chicago Dems don't know that criminals don't obey the law...

Chicago has always been a violent city, even without the gun laws, it's very ghetto ridden, much more than NYC and LA in that regard. Gun laws will not solve the problems, it will end up in even more people getting shot. They need to fix the problem from the root and up, meaning they need to invest more in the youth so they don't feel like violence is the only thing they can resort to.

[Belize]

Wait, I thought only Obama was going to declare martial law and try to turn the military on US citizens.

It's nit martial law if Trump does it. It's simply keeping us libruls in line.

They're going to give us patches shaped like a rainbow snowflake to wear and label liberal stores. Fun times.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Because being a member of a gang, even a gang that's engaged in illegal activities, isn't a crime. Just like being a member of the KKK isn't a crime.

Yes, cops know who these gang members are. But they have to catch them doing something illegal, and be able to prove it in court. Or provide enough evidence to get a warrant for further searches etc.

Due process can be such a pain in the ass : (

Because it has to. If it doesn't, it won't exist and the countless innocents that have been protected because of it would find themselves in a very different situation.

So is "PUT A WALL UP!" going to be the default response to every problem from Trump supporters? Because it's going to be pretty hilarious, just like proposing walling off the "ganglands" in Chicago is.

We can RICO the KKK while we're at it. No reason to stop till we purge all the subhuman thugging pieces of shit.

Due process being all fine and good for individuals but then you see its flaws when groups of criminals collaborate - which was one of the reasons RICO exists in the first place.

Think about the driver of the getaway car being party to a crime when his accomplice inside shoots somebody - now the driver is charged with that shoot as well for being party to it.

Being in a gang is only a micro small degree of separation away from how the driver gets charged for his buddys shooting.

These thugging pieces of shit have enjoyed enough protection for long enough and what do we get out of it?

Third world war zones in American cities.

Enough - time to get tough - I say fuck their "rights" - they gave them up when they decided to be thugging animals instead of members of a society.

Don't like my facetious reference to the wall? I'll give you a better one.

We round them up and relocate them to a 3rd world shit hole so they can life out their days under their way of life and then we don't have to worry about it.

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Because being a member of a gang, even a gang that's engaged in illegal activities, isn't a crime. Just like being a member of the KKK isn't a crime.

Yes, cops know who these gang members are. But they have to catch them doing something illegal, and be able to prove it in court. Or provide enough evidence to get a warrant for further searches etc.

Due process can be such a pain in the ass : (



Because it has to. If it doesn't, it won't exist and the countless innocents that have been protected because of it would find themselves in a very different situation.



So is "PUT A WALL UP!" going to be the default response to every problem from Trump supporters? Because it's going to be pretty hilarious, just like proposing walling off the "ganglands" in Chicago is.

Pretty much this. People need to get that if you are in a country where law dominates, then you need to stick to the legal procedures and make damn sure you make no error. Any error in the obtaining of information of said gangsters is enough to break down the entire case, so they'd have to start from scratch again, and then they'll never get them. Then you have other areas where mistakes can end up breaking down the case they've built up.

And even then, catching them in the act has to follow legal procedures. It's like filming a burglary on your property and then putting the video online, you'll need to look hard to find any judge that will not thrown that case out of the window due to the fact that you did not use the legal procedures regarding evidence. Same thing goes if cops for example would be collecting in act evidence on a private property without following the legal procedures, that case won't go anywhere.

[Moadar]

Deploy national guard on every street corner in problem neighborhoods. Stop and frisk. Deal with gang houses like they did in Waco.

This isn't Iraq the military would only be looking at killing a few hundred maybe a couple thousand total in gang members to really eliminate the problem. I'm sure some people would scream racism though.

[ImpTaimer]

Rahm can't run his city and keep his citizens from being shot by illegally owned and obtained firearms.

Federal Government will come in and investigate the mayor to see if he is in on the illegal firearm action, directly or indirectly.

Unfortunately (at least under Obama Administration) this didn't help Flint at all with their water crisis. Nor is the governor* of Flint sitting in a cold jail cell.

[Krigaren]

"The Feds will step in." And what? Impose martial law? Set a curfew? Wall people into the city? Start shooting "questionables" on sight?

No really, WHAT is the Fed going to do?

Trump wants to take a page out of his buddy, Duarte's, book.

[TrumpIsPresident]

They need to fix the problem from the root and up, meaning they need to invest more in the youth so they don't feel like violence is the only thing they can resort to.

Countless hundreds of billions have been spent all over the nation on trying to do that.

But what they fail to do is go after the ghetto thug life culture problem.

Kids need to be basically programmed to reject every part of that shit from the violence, to the thug life, to the bastardization of the English language, to the saggy pants, to this, to that, all of it.

Go after that nonsense along with the money for education, jobs, whatever, and we'll see some results.

[Theinquisition]

Because it would hurt too many feelings.

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Except it's not uncommon for innocent bystanders, children even, to get caught in the crossfire.

You think these thugs actually know how to shoot? That's cute.

No, it's incredibly sad, but real solutions here are going to call for actions that most democrats in these areas will not be happy with. I'd be happy just walling these areas off.

[sarahtasher]

How Toronto is not comparable to Chicago ? It's a lake (lakes) across...

[Deleted]

Trump wants to take a page out of his buddy, Duarte's, book.

Doesn't sound like a bad plan. Hope he'll take Duterte along so they can throw thugs out of helicopters together.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Chicago isn't a gun toting city, well it is but illegally as they have very strict gun laws which obviously work so well.

I mean, being able to go a county over and buy guns has NOTHING to do with Chicago's gun laws being ineffective... none whatsover.

But seriously, people point to chicago as if it's some kind of proof that gun laws don't work, when on a full federal national level, if they were stricter it would work. Being able to go a county over and get them easily is what fucks Chicago.

[sarahtasher]

Deploy national guard on every street corner in problem neighborhoods. Stop and frisk. Deal with gang houses like they did in Waco.

This isn't Iraq the military would only be looking at killing a few hundred maybe a couple thousand total in gang members to really eliminate the problem. I'm sure some people would scream racism though.

You mean that like the US military do, you would randomly bomb towns in Canada or Orgeon ''just to be sure'' ? And spending trillions to kill random people and then be puzzled as why those people don't like you ?

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Doesn't sound like a bad plan. Hope he'll take Duterte along so they can throw thugs out of helicopters together.

Yeah. Laws are for ''libural cucks''. Who need ''laws'' when you have big manly guns and you are wearing a ghost costume while burning lower case t ?

[Deleted]

You mean that like the US military do, you would randomly bomb towns in Canada or Orgeon ''just to be sure'' ? And spending trillions to kill random people and then be puzzled as why those people don't like you ?

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Yeah. Laws are for ''libural cucks''. Who need ''laws'' when you have big manly guns and you are wearing a ghost costume while burning lower case t ?

Kek, strong case of projection. Care to come for a helicopter ride too?