Intel: Russia has Compromising info on Trump.

[Belize]

Glad to see my conservative brothers representing our ideology ever so well by screaming "FAKE" when these are clear statements from the heads of the most important agencies to the security of our nation. MMO-Champ conservatives make me so proud!

They're CINO. It's like RINO, but as Internet keyboard warriors. As a filthy LIBRUL I can tell you that I don't consider them to represent conservatives.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

This isn't true.

I remember hearing stories about this in the run up to the election. It looks like the FBI/CIA/NSA have now found those reports credible, and its this that is being leaked. It's much much worse than this CNN story portrays it though, as they don't lay out the specific allegations in detail but if you search hard enough you can find them -

Yes, I remember hearing about this, but it had been quickly debunked.

The thing is that, unless we can get a direct assessment of the proof behind it, it's very hard to determine the accuracy of these claims. During the election, we've had many "false news" or, perhaps more accurately, "false proof" of anonymous people impersonating US officials to disclose information to some media outlets.

Now I don't want to close these allegations with that. I don't want to do a fallacy with something that could have some serious implications.

Experience with these elections tells me that, if this was the case, it would've come out sooner rather than later. I find it odd that this bit of information pops ten days before Trump's official nomination. I also find it odd that it correlates with a US intel document that was published not even a week ago. Obviously, the group that pushes these allegation is also entirely anti-Trump.

Which is why this must be taken lightly. In regard of the anonymous sources, conjecture and lack of evidence presented, we cannot assume that it is true.

[Wolfheart9]

Let me take a stab at what will follow in a twitter storm..

'I've hardly ever been to Russia, and I don't know anything about Prostitutes. What even is a prostitute? I never did what they said, and the people saying it are bad, bad people. If there was pee in the bed, it's because they peed themselves knowing I would win, because I'm a winner'

Followed by several tweets on how overrated CNN is, and how MI6 agents don't belong in American politics, but let me show you why Russia is so great.

[Shadowmelded]

Kinky. In a weird way.

It gets better.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Buzzfeed just released all the source documents the British spy provided to the FBI. You can read them here.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinge...Ew7#.uo5NvVqrz

I want to underline this part of the article you have linked:

The document was prepared for political opponents of Trump by a person who is understood to be a former British intelligence agent. It is not just unconfirmed: It includes some clear errors. The report misspells the name of one company, “Alpha Group,” throughout. It is Alfa Group. The report says the settlement of Barvikha, outside Moscow, is “reserved for the residences of the top leadership and their close associates.” It is not reserved for anyone, and it is also populated by the very wealthy.

[dd614]

I don't think Trump is a criminal mastermind, he's just a moron. Clinton has way more skeletons in her closet, but she would still have been the better choice.

The only people who are morons are the ones who still think Trump is a moron.

[Deleted]

What's even happening anymore.

Well, not my kind of kinky. Just don't see the point of the Obamas connection though.

[Wolfheart9]

The only people who are morons are the ones who still think Trump is a moron.

Or, yknow, the people that support him and his want to destroy "Obamacare", so they can make the ACA better, because that's what they use. I'd say those are morons.

[Sky High]

The only people who are morons are the ones who still think Trump is a moron.

welp, I have to say, you've convinced me.

[Deleted]

It gets better.

Want to get that tape... For research purposes, of course.

[Deleted]

I don't think Trump is a criminal mastermind, he's just a moron.

Too dumb to be voted into office?

Yes, that idea is the real problem about trump. People underestimated him completely.

He is smart when its about manipulation. The alt right movement just were easy propagandists for him. And the morons who voted him for a "change" just have to see that everything is going to get even worse. Neo liberal economics on their way.

[schwarzkopf]

CNN lol...

People who ignore the message because they don't like the messenger's hat are in for a bad time.

[alexw]

Yes, I remember hearing about this, but it had been quickly debunked.

The thing is that, unless we can get a direct assessment of the proof behind it, it's very hard to determine the accuracy of these claims. During the election, we've had many "false news" or, perhaps more accurately, "false proof" of anonymous people impersonating US officials to disclose information to some media outlets.

Now I don't want to close these allegations with that. I don't want to do a fallacy with something that could have some serious implications.

Experience with these elections tells me that, if this was the case, it would've come out sooner rather than later. I find it odd that this bit of information pops ten days before Trump's official nomination. I also find it odd that it correlates with a US intel document that was published not even a week ago. Obviously, the group that pushes these allegation is also entirely anti-Trump.

Which is why this must be taken lightly. In regard of the anonymous sources, conjecture and lack of evidence presented, we cannot assume that it is true.

Nope. It has never been debunked. It just faded from the spotlight because there was no corroborating evidence to back it up. The FBI/CIA/NSA are now looking into it and finding that the agent and his sources are credible. The next step will be to corroborate the evidence itself.... if they do the shit is going to hit the fan.

[Torto]

So we have the intelligence agencies saying that 1) Russia was trying to influence the election 2) That they are sitting on incriminating information about Trump.

Someone asks why it wouldn't have come out before the election.

Please, enlighten me. WHAT other reason would there be for that incriminating evidence to have not come out before the election?

Either all of the agencies are wrong (we're talking ALL of them, along with a large number of sitting members of Congress) and this is just a disinformation campaign to undermine Trump, or their reports are true.

Tell me, which one of those sounds like more of a conspiracy theory?

It's obvious what you want to be true, but lets deal with facts.

And we have none. All there is is unsubstantiated allegations of a retired MI6 agent with some sort of explosive information about Trump and all the intelligence agencies and US party leaders and now the Russians all know about it but have done nothing so far.

Yeah, no conspiracy theories here people......

[Sorshen]

That's it, I'm putting the popcorn in the microwave.

[Wolfheart9]

Nope. It has never been debunked. It just faded from the spotlight because there was no corroborating evidence to back it up. The FBI/CIA/NSA are now looking into it and finding that the agent and his sources are credible. The next step will be to corroborate the evidence itself.... if they do the shit is going to hit the fan.

Even if every spec of that is true with 100% undeniable evidence, you'll still have people defending him, and it'l be brushed aside.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Nope. It has never been debunked. It just faded from the spotlight because there was no corroborating evidence to back it up. The FBI/CIA/NSA are now looking into it and finding that the agent and his sources are credible. The next step will be to corroborate the evidence itself.... if they do the shit is going to hit the fan.

It was, although much like the link you've sent originally it's kind of stupidly complex to find any source now that the web is placated with crap about Russia, Trump and Hillary.

Some of the claims made in the document are worryingly close to what Pizzagate/Spirit Cooking were during the elections, likening Hillary to a Satanical cult and part of a pedophilia ring. I didn't believe them then and I have a hard time believing this now. Plus, as it is stated on the buzzfeed page you've sent, many points of information in the document are factually false.

This is why I am skeptical of it.

[alexw]

It's obvious what you want to be true, but lets deal with facts.

And we have none. All there is is unsubstantiated allegations of a retired MI6 agent with some sort of explosive information about Trump and all the intelligence agencies and US party leaders and now the Russians all know about it but have done nothing so far.

Yeah, no conspiracy theories here people......

Incorrect. The intelligence agencies have investigated the official and his contacts and found them to be credible reliable sources of information. I.e. It's highly unlikely that its all made up. There might be some inaccuracies but they general gist will be correct.

[Torto]

CNN is still right half the time, Breibart, however, has never been right about a thing, and makes up a lot of stuff as they go.

Partially correct CNN > Imaginary Breibart.

I was referring to Mother Jones (mojo), but yeah gotta respect CNN. A news organisation that always gets it half right half the time.

[Independent voter]

The news is saying the Russians are trying to get compromising information on Trump, not that they've found any. *sheesh*