Trump Signs Vague Order to Begin Dismantling Obamacare

[Moozart]

Good, beating the left wasn't enough, I want them to suffer.

Want healthcare, get a job. Healthcare is not a right. Go back to the way it was, the system was fine. Why should 300 million people pay for the healthcare of a couple million leeches and parasites.

the problem with this idea is that when Obamacare came into affect all of us that work had insurance increases because of Obamacare. You think when its gone the Insurance companies are going to lower our premiums back down? Hell no

Obamacare was NEVER indented to last, it was just a ploy by the government to help the insurance companies legally raise the insurance rates across the board.

[Shadowferal]

Obamacare was NEVER indented to last, it was just a ploy by the government to help the insurance companies legally raise the insurance rates across the board.

Basically your saying that big businesses and government are hand-in-hand...

Not a surprise.

[Draco-Onis]

Obamacare was NEVER indented to last, it was just a ploy by the government to help the insurance companies legally raise the insurance rates across the board.

One major flaw in your argument insurance companies were raising rates at a even higher percentage before Obamacare, there is nor has there ever been laws against insurance companies raising rates.

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Want healthcare, get a job. Healthcare is not a right. Go back to the way it was, the system was fine. Why should 300 million people pay for the healthcare of a couple million leeches and parasites.

Want education, get a job. Education is not a right. Go back to the way it was, the system was fine. Why should 300 million people pay for the education of a couple million kids and college students.

[Thepersona]

Want education, get a job. Education is not a right. Go back to the way it was, the system was fine. Why should 300 million people pay for the education of a couple million kids and college students.

want to live? get a job! life was not a right. Go back to the way it was, the system was fine!

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want to live? get a job! life was not a right. Go back to the way it was, the system was fine!

Indeed.

My point was simply this: I often see the "Why should my taxes pay for other people's healthcare?" argument, but never the "Why should my taxes pay for other people's education?" argument.

A lot of people don't have kids. Why should they pay for other people's kids to attend school? Surely it's the same argument as the one used against paying for other peoples healthcare.

(Personally I'm in favour of state healthcare and state education, just want to hear other peoples' views)

[Thepersona]

Indeed.

My point was simply this: I often see the "Why should my taxes pay for other people's healthcare?" argument, but never the "Why should my taxes pay for other people's education?" argument.

A lot of people don't have kids. Why should they pay for other people's kids to attend school? Surely it's the same argument as the one used against paying for other peoples healthcare.

(Personally I'm in favour of state healthcare and state education, just want to hear other peoples' views)

I know, i was making a reducto at absurdum of the conservative talking points tho

[alexw]

I may be a long-voting republican... But I do know that this will ultimately negatively effect red states that voted in Trump the most. Red states consume significantly more healthcare resources per-capita than blue states, so an overall, general, nerf to healthcare (especially considering those under or around the poverty line), red states that voted in Trump will have a very hard time affording healthcare under Trump... but then again, whether they knew that or not, they asked for it. I'm already prepared for the shift, however, many (and I mean MANY) of the more stereotypical red voters that I've come across think that their own healthcare won't be affected... even though they are considered a "leech" by their own standards.

Your post reminds me of all the long time republican retirees (i.e. users of medicare) screaming about "socialized healthcare" and how the ACA was communist. Honestly, some people.....

[alturic]

You sound like incredibly childish. Whatever happens to our healthcare will affect all Americans and you should care about the outcome, instead of making petty commentary in various threads regarding the left.

You sound almost as petty as Republican leaders turning down expanded Medicare funding for poor people in red states, leaving them to suffer without health care for no reason other than they didn't want poor people to have healthcare.

Your two statements are hilariously hypocritical. "You sound like incredibly childish" is EXACTLY what those who oppose Trump are doing, right now. Your second one "You sound almost as petty as Republican leaders..." is EXACTLY what those who oppose Trump are doing, right now.

I mean give the guy a chance? After ~100 days or so, now start protesting/marching/banging the drums. The people with a brain realize campaign talk is just that. It's to get you elected. I mean, how can anyone disagree with that? Every single politician promises everything, even though very few things can actually be accomplished by just that one person yet people take it as gospel.

I didn't vote for any of them, and while I'm cautiously optimistic about Trump, he really did surprise me how he handled himself yesterday. But again, give him a chance at least, fuck.

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the problem with this idea is that when Obamacare came into affect all of us that work had insurance increases because of Obamacare. You think when its gone the Insurance companies are going to lower our premiums back down? Hell no

Obamacare was NEVER indented to last, it was just a ploy by the government to help the insurance companies legally raise the insurance rates across the board.

I despise ACA as much as the next guy, but hot damn! Now the entire democratic party is in the pockets of the health insurance industry?

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Indeed.

My point was simply this: I often see the "Why should my taxes pay for other people's healthcare?" argument, but never the "Why should my taxes pay for other people's education?" argument.

A lot of people don't have kids. Why should they pay for other people's kids to attend school? Surely it's the same argument as the one used against paying for other peoples healthcare.

(Personally I'm in favour of state healthcare and state education, just want to hear other peoples' views)

Oh I totally feel this same way. I should not be paying for anything for anyone. I have zero problems with what temporary welfare programs were meant to be, temporary, for the people truly having a hard time. Why should people without kids have to pay school taxes? Why should a few pennies of my taxes go to pay for my neighbors insurance subsidy?

Again, I have no problem with temporary assistance programs, if they are temporary. Not literally years worth of living off every government program the government offers.

[Lady Dragonheart]

Your post reminds me of all the long time republican retirees (i.e. users of medicare) screaming about "socialized healthcare" and how the ACA was communist. Honestly, some people.....

Where are you getting that from? I prefer socialized healthcare and have for a very long time.

[Shadowferal]

Where are you getting that from? I prefer socialized healthcare and have for a very long time.

Pretty sure he was referring to the red staters, those particular insisting "Keep your government hands off my medicare..."

[ArmYourself]

Want education, get a job. Education is not a right. Go back to the way it was, the system was fine. Why should 300 million people pay for the education of a couple million kids and college students.

I'd be ok with that too, I had to pay for all my own education as well.

[alexw]

Where are you getting that from? I prefer socialized healthcare and have for a very long time.

Ahh no I'm not talking about you personally. But your description of the people you encountered. Red voters angry at Obamacare when they consume something that has the same ideological redistributive basis.

[Shadowferal]

I'd be ok with that too, I had to pay for all my own education as well.

I'm sure when you were 6yrs old you paid...with what exactly?

[ArmYourself]

Psssst.

Republican states disproportionately represent ACA signups. Guess who's going to be the ones suffering?

Those dirty liberal coastal elites? Nope.



Except things like the ability to refuse to insure on the basis of pre-existing conditions.

Which is, you know, the heart of it.

Most people on obamacare are poor minorities. The republcians pay the taxes in America, the 47% are mostly democrats.

[Shadowferal]

Most people on obamacare are poor minorities. The republcians pay the taxes in America, the 47% are mostly democrats.

You really are ignorant...

Poorest states tend to be red states. The take more in federal support than they pay back in taxes.
Once that federal support is gone...I'm sure they'll show the same ignorance as your own and blame democrats.

[araine]

good get rid of most of that crap obamacare was made of.

You like the affordable care act better i have seen polls how republicans favor that one over Obamacare

[Shadowferal]

You like the affordable care act better i have seen polls how republicans favor that one over Obamacare

*chuckles*

"It's a trap!"

[Time Sage]

You like the affordable care act better i have seen polls how republicans favor that one over Obamacare

Spoiler: That's the same thing.

[Darsithis]

Where is the outrage that he is signing an executive order? Obama did and the conservatives went nuts about how Obama was defying the government and the Constitution by signing "illegal" executive orders, the monster!