It's official, President Trump takes over.

[Cybran]

Even the FOX poll had him around 36% and they've been sucking his tiny dick since he won the election.

Polls done by fake news were wrong before. They don't represent REAL Americans.

[Wells]

Anyway, calls for Trump's opposition are silly and self-serving. Any self-respecting American who has a problem with their government should be protesting. Its not just our right, its our responsibility.

You might not agree with all their grievances, but "shut up and accept it" is no better than spam and you'd have to be an idiot not to see some grounds for protesting this man.

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Then why was Obama protested if he was the center of all good things in the world?

You're really good at attacking things people didn't say.

[Elegiac]

Your idea of public mandate is mob rule. That's what easily leads to the fall of a democracy.

Democracy, a system of government whose basis is public mandate, gets destroyed if the government has a public mandate. Right.

[Wells]

Polls done by fake news were wrong before. They don't represent REAL Americans.

Oh yeah, lets all gather around and see what Komrade here thinks is Real America

[Dextroden]

Seriously, how fucking hard is this to understand? If she got ~3 million more votes, then the polls were accurate. They just did not accurately distribute the votes in a way that would give her more electoral college votes.

Derp derp me no capable of critical thinking. Me need factory job.

So, the polls were stupid and pointless, just like popular vote, because getting more votes =/= wins.

[Wells]

Your idea of public mandate is mob rule. That's what easily leads to the fall of a democracy.

This is your argument in favor of minority rules?

[Thepersona]

Your idea of public mandate is mob rule. That's what easily leads to the fall of a democracy.

Mob rule (or what we call direct democracy, or majority driven democracy) is a tenet of classical democracy. You got checks and balances to prevent the tiranny of the majority. But a democracy isnt the tiranny of the minority, as is it right now in your country, with less people having more power than the majority

[Dextroden]

Anyway, calls for Trump's opposition are silly and self-serving. Any self-respecting American who has a problem with their government should be protesting. Its not just our right, its our responsibility.

You might not agree with all their grievances, but "shut up and accept it" is no better than spam and you'd have to be an idiot not to see some grounds for protesting this man.

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You're really good at attacking things people didn't say.

Oh lord. Now he's deciding who's American or not.

Okay, Bush era Republican.

[Elegiac]

I wouldn't trust a poll based off of perpetually unhappy folks.

But then I don't trust polls in general.

Except when you find them convenient, sure.

[Wells]

Oh lord. Now he's deciding who's American or not.

Again with the lying about the content of simple posts.

[Deleted]

In some ways it has been. In some ways it hasn't. It's complicated.

In some ways through survelliance and national security, the President is more powerful than ever. Congress refusing to authorize Obama's campaign in Syria YEARS beyond the 60 day limit, while still allowing and funding said cmapaign, is evidence of that. Why don't they vote on an authorization for military force? Nobody wants to have it on their record if it goes sour, and it be used against them just as Iraq War votes were used against them. It's political cowardice. So on foreign afairs, the President is at the peak of his power.

In terms of budgets though, and i've touched this on defense and space issues many time, Barack Obama's deviation from the bipartisan consensus lead to his essential irrelevancy in the budgeting process. The budgets through the clinton and Bush years largely reflected the priorities of those administrations. There were differences to be sure. But the outlines were all there.

After 2010 though, Democrats and Republicans a like basically ended Executive Branch participation in the budget. Every year Obama offered up a Budget. And Every year Congress produced something (even if it didn't pass, thanks to political conflict) that looked completely different. Obama had some bones thrown to him, but there has certainly been a big step towards taking power of the purse out of the hands of the executive.

Why did this happen? John Bohner's ban on earmarks. Earmarks allowed Congress to consent to Presidential budgets. The ban on earmarks required what would otherwise be earmarks be structurally written in. Naively, it is better and more honest governing and accounting. Practically, it made the Presidential Budget Request essentially one giant work of fiction.

This has been the fortunate last line of Defense against Trump. while Congress will fight like hell over things like planned Parent hood and funding on renewable energy, the other 98% of the budget is largely uncontroversial. As I wrote in another thread today, the difference between how much Republicans want to raise defense and how much Democrats want to raise defense, is about 4% of the overall defense budget. Only in Bernie Sander's imagination is a $200 billion defense budget going to happen.

Earmarks are still gone. And Donald Trump minus earmarks will find his practical political power far weaker than Clinton, who briefly enjoyed the line item veto, and George W Bush, whose white house acted almost as a unitary government for a spell there.




It's going to be both. Stopping Donald Trump dead in his tracks and removing him as a matter of principle, and then replacing him with a better alternative.

It's not just that Donald Trump stands for things I disagree with. Him sitting on that office is him shitting on a proud and honest inheritance for all Americans. He is in so many ways, unworthy of his position. He must go. Impeachment or resignation. The date with destiny will be arranged and that better alternative put foward in tandem.

In America you can't just impeach the President because you don't agree with him, old sport.

[Wyrt]

Your idea of public mandate is mob rule. That's what easily leads to the fall of a democracy.

So it's better for a minority to tell everyone else what to do?

Damn, I thought conservatives hated it when minorities had power.

[Dextroden]

Anyway, calls for Trump's opposition are silly and self-serving. Any self-respecting American who has a problem with their government should be protesting. Its not just our right, its our responsibility.

You might not agree with all their grievances, but "shut up and accept it" is no better than spam and you'd have to be an idiot not to see some grounds for protesting this man.

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You're really good at attacking things people didn't say.

I'm not a Trump supporter and you keep calling me that.

Don't break that glass house of yours.

[CostinR]

This has been the fortunate last line of Defense against Trump. while Congress will fight like hell over things like planned Parent hood and funding on renewable energy, the other 98% of the budget is largely uncontroversial. As I wrote in another thread today, the difference between how much Republicans want to raise defense and how much Democrats want to raise defense, is about 4% of the overall defense budget. Only in Bernie Sander's imagination is a $200 billion defense budget going to happen.

Your real problem then is that while you may get rid of Trump you're not getting rid of the Bernie wing, and they are still very very powerful. Just ask Cory Booker on that one.

Hell I might even consider the Sanders wing a far bigger threat then Trump, Trump is limited by what you said and the constant stream of attacks on him that he has to fight, but what limits Bernie?

Nothing

It's going to be both. Stopping Donald Trump dead in his tracks and removing him as a matter of principle, and then replacing him with a better alternative.

It's not just that Donald Trump stands for things I disagree with. Him sitting on that office is him shitting on a proud and honest inheritance for all Americans. He is in so many ways, unworthy of his position. He must go. Impeachment or resignation. The date with destiny will be arranged and that better alternative put foward in tandem.

Well hope you're getting ready for the shitshow that will cause if that's the path you want to take. What you're proposing especially today would make Watergate look like a bloody nothing. Who knows though maybe it would be best for Pence to take over...but I just can't imagine that going over well, not just because of rabid Trump supporters but because Pence is very scary to a great deal of people. Hell him as president scares the hell out of me.

You can't get rid of both Trump and Pence at the same time.

[Elegiac]

In America you can't just impeach the President because you don't agree with him, old sport.

True, but I mean he's already committing an impeachable offense as we speak.

[downnola]

Oh lord. Now he's deciding who's American or not.

Okay, Bush era Republican.

Oh, so you haven't read about the basics of self-governance? Gotcha.

[Wells]

In America you can't just impeach the President because you don't agree with him, old sport.

No, but you can when he violates the Emoluments Clause.

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I'm not a Trump supporter and you keep calling me that.

No one is buying this.

[Dextroden]

Again with the lying about the content of simple posts.

Any self-respecting American

Tell me why you hate America Wells.

[Yuujin]

So, the polls were stupid and pointless, just like popular vote, because getting more votes =/= wins.

The polls just explain why Trump's inauguration was so light despite the unemployment rate being so high and work force participation rate being so low. The polls explain why we are seeing so many people protesting right now.

[Deleted]

Mob rule (or what we call direct democracy, or majority driven democracy) is a tenet of classical democracy. You got checks and balances to prevent the tiranny of the majority. But a democracy isnt the tiranny of the minority, as is it right now in your country, with less people having more power than the majority

Okay, cool. Classical democracy. You realize we were purposefully designed to not be a classical democracy, correct? Again, it's not an accident that we are not a direct democracy. That was on purpose. Wait, oh, you're not even from America. You see, as I've been saying, we are not a direct democracy, pal.