DH nerfed for 4th or 5th time lol after 7.15

[Resentless]

Havoc was basically globalling people at release, and you wonder why it got nerfed in PvP?

Are you insane?

Did you not read the title? Have you not read any patch notes? Are you a member of the regressive left? This is the kind of stuff they spew.

THE VERY FIRST hotfix which came 24 hours after the patch release nerfed DH back into a state worse than they were before 7.1.5. Before 7.1.5 they were already considered a bottom tier melee along with warriors. You think because they got 1 day of OP that they should be repeatedly nerfed for the next month? Day 1 hotfix: first blood nerfed (same as before the patch, where everyone took bloodlet because first blood dmg was worthless), and mana break nerfed to what it is now. Those 2 alone take away the one shot potential of havoc, but they then went and also nerfed fury of the illidari by 30% and chaos blades. They then within the next couple of weeks, also nerfed all ability damage by 2%. This isnt even mentioning the flat nerf all damage classes got that also affected them.

To recap, 7.1.5 buffed First Blood by 100% (reverted in 1 day) and mana break to the retarded state it was in at 15% hp even at full mana. Both of these were reverted/destroyed, and then they went on to nerf them further. I feel like everyone in this thread is salty they get owned repeatedly by DHs that are typically considered one of the most useless melee. Before monks got the nerfbat, they were superior to a DH in every way. Now we both suck.

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Tbh DH needs more nerfs in pvp. My alt is an 886 DH and you global everyone pretty much, what more do you want?

Also 10% stam, why are you all freaking out haha, that's like 1 Chaos Strike crit lmao.

You global people? in random bgs or?? im 895 at 2.5k mmr in 2v2 and NO ONE is getting globalled till at least 40% dampening, and its not getting globalled even then, its being killed in a 5 second stun and 1.5 sec silence. And yes im sure your single experience is what we should be basing all the pvp changes off. Epic contribution you have.

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Oh no poor Demon Hunters.

What is going to happen next? Is Blizzard going to add an IQ test to the log in server? That would be a pretty huge DH nerf too wouldn't it

Could use your salt for my fries, please mate. Wonder what class you play and how high iq you have to be for that?

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And still broken as fk...


go figure...

Based on what evidence? Compared to assass rogues? Mistweaver monks? Resto druids? Unholy dks? Survival hunters? lmao. I'm sure your rating will match your opinion.

[Tatsujin]

I guess. They were so happy when 7.1.5 released but now they actually have to work to kill someone... so sad

I was wondering if I was doing something wrong as an Arms Warrior to DHs, apparently they were pretty beefed up.

Good nerfs, looking forward to that "Rain from Above" getting nerfed as well!

[Resentless]

I guess. They were so happy when 7.1.5 released but now they actually have to work to kill someone... so sad

We got nerfed to being even worse than before that SINGLE DAY of OPness. Jesus are you people so salty over 1 day? how did you survive the entirety of season 5 dk+ret or s12+s13 of BM hunter? My god.

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Still not enough, get rid of one of the two stuns and the class should be fine enough to disappear completely.

Whats yours? Guarantee people want yours deleted as well.

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DH is still over the top, even after all these nurfs and the problem is mitigation which includes all its toolkit to avoid damage .. They need to lose mitigation or lose MORE damage .. plain and simple its unfair as it is TODAY!

XD guess you thought they were broken in 7.1 as well

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Well, you deserved it. DH was broken as fuck in pvp.

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If you can't shut down an arcane mage I think there are bigger issues.

You definitely havent done any arena in 7.1.5, especially after that first day of DH op. After the DH nerfs, arcane, survival and boomkin were the most OP classes in the game, but im sure you only did 5 games of arena so think this game is the same as it was in wotlk.

[Schattenlied]

Those 2 alone take away the one shot potential of havoc

Irrelevant, the goal wasn't just to take away one shot potential, it was to balance... Just taking away one shot potential, while still leaving them able to bring someone to 20% with that same combo is still imbalanced as hell, if you introduce any DPS spec teammate to that situation, even some healers, they still global the target.

[Resentless]

So, I'm new to the DH, and started pvping again after about 3 years of not touching it at all.

I'd of love to seen DH's pre nerf because right now, I'm a wrecking ball, no one in battlegrounds can 1v1, even 2v1s I usually come off on top if I have meta activated - btw my meta is nearly a 2 minute cool down without that pvp talent. When I do die, and I Do ress and get back to the combat 9/10 its off CD again.

In open world pvp, quite often in pvp areas I get ganged up on by two horde players. It happened last night, they couldn't kill me.

In azuna where the naga pvp zone is, last week I had three warlocks attack me, each time they killed me. But not before I took two of them down each time and nearly the third each time.

I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet, but I'm a filthy casual still learning the class. I'm even more of a scrub in pvp, so if I can play a DH well, and wreck an opposing team, blizzard needs to sort them the fuck out.

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Proof of my scrubiness

We have two stuns? oO

Pretty sure i'd destroy you on my rogue and DK if you didnt even know DH's had 2 stuns. Would like to see that. Your experience in the goddamn free for all area inhabited by pve players looking to grind some AP or honor levels for more AP is not indicative of the actual pvp community. Cheers for your 2 cents though.

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Irrelevant, the goal wasn't just to take away one shot potential, it was to balance... Just taking away one shot potential, while still leaving them able to bring someone to 20% with that same combo is still imbalanced as hell, if you introduce any teammate to that situation they still global the target.

That combo existed in the previous patch as well, and no one used it because it was in no way shape or form going to bring anyone to 20%. Don't pull numbers out of your arse. Infact, it wasnt nerfed beyond that point, so go test it for yourself and see your hp after those 2 talents are used. 50% at best with nemesis and chaos blades. I know, I tested on 4 classes and in arena repeatedly after the hotfixes.

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I was wondering if I was doing something wrong as an Arms Warrior to DHs, apparently they were pretty beefed up.

Good nerfs, looking forward to that "Rain from Above" getting nerfed as well!

They got nerfed a month ago. If you were still struggling then thats a personal player issue. And yes, so great they nerf one of the only fun pvp talents left that actually stopped rogues being the best class in the game. Good job blizz.

[Schattenlied]

That combo existed in the previous patch as well, and no one used it because it was in no way shape or form going to bring anyone to 20%. Don't pull numbers out of your arse. Infact, it wasnt nerfed beyond that point, so go test it for yourself and see your hp after those 2 talents are used. 50% at best with nemesis and chaos blades. I know, I tested on 4 classes and in arena repeatedly after the hotfixes.

Exactly, balance achieved, it can't bring them low enough for the introduction of one other person to mean the target gets globaled any longer,

[Resentless]

Exactly, balance achieved, it can't bring them low enough for the introduction of one other person to mean the target gets globaled any longer,

Yet everyone in this thread is complaining about STILL being op and "omg i died 1v1" to them? And if two people being together cant kill someone in a stun, how is anyone ever going to die? It would just be a slow grind that UH DKs, affliction locks and balance druids would dominate. Fun.

[Rotted]

Pretty sure i'd destroy you on my rogue and DK if you didnt even know DH's had 2 stuns. Would like to see that. Your experience in the goddamn free for all area inhabited by pve players looking to grind some AP or honor levels for more AP is not indicative of the actual pvp community. Cheers for your 2 cents though.

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That combo existed in the previous patch as well, and no one used it because it was in no way shape or form going to bring anyone to 20%. Don't pull numbers out of your arse. Infact, it wasnt nerfed beyond that point, so go test it for yourself and see your hp after those 2 talents are used. 50% at best with nemesis and chaos blades. I know, I tested on 4 classes and in arena repeatedly after the hotfixes.

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They got nerfed a month ago. If you were still struggling then thats a personal player issue. And yes, so great they nerf one of the only fun pvp talents left that actually stopped rogues being the best class in the game. Good job blizz.

And cheers for your sarcasm and smug ass shit attitude !

[Professor Expert]

DH nerfed for 4th or 5th time lol after 7.15
there are 7 demon hunters in top 100 2v2 arena and 3 demon hunters in top 100 3v3 arena
here all the nerfs from the start:
first blood -nerfed
fury of the iliadary-nerfed
mana break-nerfed
rise from above -nerfed
chaos blades-nerfed
-5%agility- thats a nerf
-2% dmg to most things -nerf
+10%stamina to all classes-nerf because dh can t kill healer anymore
oh yea i forgot Eye of Lyotharus -nerfed

Yeah man. You may have to push a button to actually do damage now. Can't just drool on your keyboard and win like you've been doing.

Oh no poor Demon Hunters.

What is going to happen next? Is Blizzard going to add an IQ test to the log in server? That would be a pretty huge DH nerf too wouldn't it

That's funny, cuz it's true. hahaha

Yet everyone in this thread is complaining about STILL being op and "omg i died 1v1" to them? And if two people being together cant kill someone in a stun, how is anyone ever going to die? It would just be a slow grind that UH DKs, affliction locks and balance druids would dominate. Fun.

Why not tell us about arena representation as a basis for justifying DH OPness? It has been over 3 mins since someone neglected to realize the utter irrelevance of arena or rankings within it due to the travesty that is legion pvp.

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WW monks got nerfed by 10%+ 6 times since Legion launch. and now they finally deal 0 damage.

[Tatsujin]

They got nerfed a month ago. If you were still struggling then thats a personal player issue. And yes, so great they nerf one of the only fun pvp talents left that actually stopped rogues being the best class in the game. Good job blizz.

Yeah don't mind another nerf on that one! Shooting like a boss from the sky while the other party can't do anything to you is ... what do you want me to say? Lol. There should be a CD on it if you use Rain from Above IMO because that is a defensive CD, not offensive.

What's the CD on that anyways?

[Resentless]

Yeah man. You may have to push a button to actually do damage now. Can't just drool on your keyboard and win like you've been doing.



That's funny, cuz it's true. hahaha



Why not tell us about arena representation as a basis for justifying DH OPness? It has been over 3 mins since someone neglected to realize the utter irrelevance of arena or rankings within it due to the travesty that is legion pvp.

So you complain about the travesty that is legion pvp, ignoring the charts of people who have managed to successfully navigate said travesty and might have a clue about whats actually wrong with it, then go on to whine about a specific class like you have some specialist knowledge? Get over yourself. Also lmfao, talking about drooling on a keyboard playing a mage. HAHAHAH. Protip: been playing a mage since BC, it has NEVER been difficult. Hardest time was wotlk, ever since then it has been among the easiest specs in the game to be successful in pvp with. You have every possible tool to deal with every possible enemy laid at your feet. Don't defend that "travesty" of class design.

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Yeah don't mind another nerf on that one! Shooting like a boss from the sky while the other party can't do anything to you is ... what do you want me to say? Lol. There should be a CD on it if you use Rain from Above IMO because that is a defensive CD, not offensive.

What's the CD on that anyways?

It already has a cooldown... 1 minute... and you have to take it over 2 other (well 1 now) good talent. The nerf just made it so you cant use it to get out of stuns, which was the only good thing about it.

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And cheers for your sarcasm and smug ass shit attitude !

Yes, fail to refute my argument and just get rude instead

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WW monks got nerfed by 10%+ 6 times since Legion launch. and now they finally deal 0 damage.

Sad what happened to WW, but that's what people would like with DH atm. Here I am trying to prevent that but everyone else needs to be OP instead, apparently.

[Professor Expert]

So you complain about the travesty that is legion pvp, ignoring the charts of people who have managed to successfully navigate said travesty and might have a clue about whats actually wrong with it, then go on to whine about a specific class like you have some specialist knowledge? Get over yourself. Also lmfao, talking about drooling on a keyboard playing a mage. HAHAHAH. Protip: been playing a mage since BC, it has NEVER been difficult. Hardest time was wotlk, ever since then it has been among the easiest specs in the game to be successful in pvp with. You have every possible tool to deal with every possible enemy laid at your feet. Don't defend that "travesty" of class design.

Arena doesn't matter. Citing it as a basis for your claims of the OP class you play being "just fine" because more of some other class made it to higher rankings only underscores your inability to make a cogent argument.

Legion pvp is a travesty because of template stats and no progression, when instead pvp should have been made into a more integral part of the game in addition to or instead of raids.

Based on your comments here I know you don't play a mage. Also, complete misuse of "protip". You're a derper who plays a DH or WW monk and you require them to be vastly OP in order for you to be exceptionally average. The moment they require even a shred of skill to play, you'll be back on your BM hunter letting pets pvp on your behalf.

Sad what happened to WW, but that's what people would like with DH atm. Here I am trying to prevent that but everyone else needs to be OP instead, apparently.

You're really overestimating your relevance.

[Bloodmagix]

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You global people? in random bgs or?? im 895 at 2.5k mmr in 2v2 and NO ONE is getting globalled till at least 40% dampening, and its not getting globalled even then, its being killed in a 5 second stun and 1.5 sec silence. And yes im sure your single experience is what we should be basing all the pvp changes off. Epic contribution you have.

OP didn't specify random bgs, rbgs, 2v2 3v3 5v5 etc, what rating he is playing at, all that. So I don't believe I have to give a detailed reply if the post itself isn't even detailed.

Also you stated you play 2v2? Yeah we should all base pvp changes off 2v2..epic contribution you have, etc..

[Snegovik]

Did you not read the title? Have you not read any patch notes? Are you a member of the regressive left? This is the kind of stuff they spew.

THE VERY FIRST hotfix which came 24 hours after the patch release nerfed DH back into a state worse than they were before 7.1.5. Before 7.1.5 they were already considered a bottom tier melee along with warriors. You think because they got 1 day of OP that they should be repeatedly nerfed for the next month? Day 1 hotfix: first blood nerfed (same as before the patch, where everyone took bloodlet because first blood dmg was worthless), and mana break nerfed to what it is now. Those 2 alone take away the one shot potential of havoc, but they then went and also nerfed fury of the illidari by 30% and chaos blades. They then within the next couple of weeks, also nerfed all ability damage by 2%. This isnt even mentioning the flat nerf all damage classes got that also affected them.

To recap, 7.1.5 buffed First Blood by 100% (reverted in 1 day) and mana break to the retarded state it was in at 15% hp even at full mana. Both of these were reverted/destroyed, and then they went on to nerf them further. I feel like everyone in this thread is salty they get owned repeatedly by DHs that are typically considered one of the most useless melee. Before monks got the nerfbat, they were superior to a DH in every way. Now we both suck.

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You global people? in random bgs or?? im 895 at 2.5k mmr in 2v2 and NO ONE is getting globalled till at least 40% dampening, and its not getting globalled even then, its being killed in a 5 second stun and 1.5 sec silence. And yes im sure your single experience is what we should be basing all the pvp changes off. Epic contribution you have.

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^ 100% truth, most nubs who QQ on these forums or claim to global ppl or stated that they got raped by one, refer to wpvp/duels or some random casual BG while having multiple buffs + zerker prob vs some scrub who doesnt even know his class. If salty ppl who post here actually plaid rated pvp above 2.2-2.4k cr hack even above 2k cr they would know how hilarious all this is and that it is impossible to global any1 @ current state after nerfs vs decent team, and then dont forget about all the cc that available in this game.

[Resentless]

OP didn't specify random bgs, rbgs, 2v2 3v3 5v5 etc, what rating he is playing at, all that. So I don't believe I have to give a detailed reply if the post itself isn't even detailed.

Also you stated you play 2v2? Yeah we should all base pvp changes off 2v2..epic contribution you have, etc..

Most people here quite obviously complaining about 1v1 or random bg stuff, and the closest thing to that in terms of actual rated and meaningful pvp is 2v2 where most of the time its 1 class trying to kill a healer or cc him and kill the opponent all game, and in that case yes, my contribution does indeed matter. I'm also 2k in 3v3 and 1800 in rbgs, 6k HKs on my dh this xpac... need i say more? Don't give a detailed reply if you don't want to, but no ones going to take you seriously if you dont.

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Arena doesn't matter. Citing it as a basis for your claims of the OP class you play being "just fine" because more of some other class made it to higher rankings only underscores your inability to make a cogent argument.

Legion pvp is a travesty because of template stats and no progression, when instead pvp should have been made into a more integral part of the game in addition to or instead of raids.

Based on your comments here I know you don't play a mage. Also, complete misuse of "protip". You're a derper who plays a DH or WW monk and you require them to be vastly OP in order for you to be exceptionally average. The moment they require even a shred of skill to play, you'll be back on your BM hunter letting pets pvp on your behalf.



You're really overestimating your relevance.

Not sure what to tell you buddy, I've been playing mage since BC. Was the first class I ever rolled in WoW and the first class I got an arena title with back in cata. I know exactly how silly mages are and have been since then, in PvP at the very least but they have been the go to caster in all aspects of the game since forever. If you think I I don't know what I'm talking about because you disagree that they have never been hard, then I think that's evidence enough for how skilled you are at your own class. Keeping tabs on more than 1 player difficult? That would also explain your opinion of arena.

"Arena doesn't matter" tell that to blizzard who balance the game around 3v3 arena. If you have a problem with that, go complain at them and when they don't change their mind, stop pvping please. Top arena rankings matter because it is those people who have mastered their class and other classes in order to overcome them and... win. Your entire problem here is you don't know how to win vs DH and somehow WW () but I think I already figured out your reasons for that in the other thread, you are now finally losing duels to higher mobility classes after dumping on everyone since forever. I should know, I won every time on my mage for 8 years. Just because you say arena rankings dont matter doesnt mean they dont matter. They do, and if one class is struggling there, blizzard will step in because they balance the game around 3v3. Even if we disregard arena rankings, that would mean you are going by anecdotal evidence, the definition of a non-argument because you only have evidence from a single perspective. One that is evidently biased against classes that win in 1v1s vs the best dueling class in the game.

If you want to complain about the fundamentals of legion pvp, theres plenty of threads for that, but saying DH current balance is an issue is something anyone with a shred of skill in any meaningful pvp will disagree with you on. For reference, the top rated player on EU right now is a mage. Speaks for itself, no?

How dare you say I played a BM hunter, the cancer class broken for half of MoP that I have complained about on this very forum multiple times. But ok, pull that one out your arse as well.

Never played a monk past level 40 either, but yes say random things again, very cognent argument you have there.

[Krusza]

DH nerfed for 4th or 5th time lol after 7.15
there are 7 demon hunters in top 100 2v2 arena and 3 demon hunters in top 100 3v3 arena
here all the nerfs from the start:
first blood -nerfed
fury of the iliadary-nerfed
mana break-nerfed
rise from above -nerfed
chaos blades-nerfed
-5%agility- thats a nerf
-2% dmg to most things -nerf
+10%stamina to all classes-nerf because dh can t kill healer anymore
oh yea i forgot Eye of Lyotharus -nerfed

Why do you still think representation is a good measure of balance?

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Why do you still think representation is a good measure of balance?

0 bear tanks in Top 100 in either - we need to get buffed massively imo.

[Krusza]

0 bear tanks in Top 100 in either - we need to get buffed massively imo.

Every ability should do 300% more damage

[enchiridion]

Any demon hunter who had half a brain saw these nerds coming, the only thing I would like to see is some forms of snare break, even if you have to talent it