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In the light of recent events, and recent non-events and the rise of fake news and alternative facts, technology has gradually been improving in the area of actually making the distinction very difficult to detect.
Two separate projects mentioned in the following video are starting to make real inroads into what used to be science fiction.
1. Face2Face: Real-time Face Capture and Reenactment of RGB Videos
2. #VoCo: Allows you to change words in a voiceover simply by typing new words.
Together, these two tools currently in development would literally allow you to take video and audio of a well known (say politician, or activist or what ever) and make them say what ever you damn well pleased.
The tech isn't quite there yet, but experts in the field say this technology will be as available in 2020 as Photoshop with images is today.
So folks, get ready for a wild ride, there is an article here: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/...ews-technology
The two product names above can be distinctly searched and researched.
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2017-02-03, 09:42 PM #1The One Sane Man
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By 2020 News and Fake News May Be Indistinguishable...
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2017-02-03, 09:45 PM #2Legendary!
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Not if i only listen to NPR and not get my news from twitter and fb
Originally Posted by Kalis
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2017-02-03, 09:47 PM #3Pit Lord
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Various tools for data verification will be invented and refined, but yes, this has been a long time coming.
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2017-02-03, 09:51 PM #4The One Sane Man
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Indeed, but at some point in the not too distant future - if the bitstreams are indistinguishable, then no after the fact verification will be possible. Originally Posted by Creotor
What will more likely happen is new video and audio formats will include signing or similar allowing one to distinguish source if not veracity.
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2017-02-03, 09:57 PM #5Deleted
As faster we progress in technology, as more likely it becomes governments will be enabled to create fake realities in real time, showing no difference to real life sceneries.
At the end, the future could become an orwell dystopia, and we even couldnt detect it.
Only if we always double check news, and even then, there is always a chance we get fooled.Last edited by mmoc903ad35b4b; 2017-02-03 at 10:02 PM.
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2017-02-03, 10:11 PM #6The One Sane Man
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It took me well over half an hour to even reach the point where I was 80% sure the story I linked was real... I'm so paranoid now about trying to figure it out, that more 'facts' are coming in that I could even verify to 80% if I did nothing else 24/7. Originally Posted by rym
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2017-02-03, 10:14 PM #7Immortal
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Considering we're already at 5 fake news about Trump this week, I'd say we're already there!
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2017-02-03, 10:17 PM #8The One Sane Man
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Having fake news about Trump isn't an effect of evidence - it is more that the stuff Trump really does is just as stupid as the fake stuff People say he does. Originally Posted by BloodElf4Life
However - being able to create a video of Trump declaring war on Iran - which is indistinguishable from reality, now that's VERY nasty indeed.
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2017-02-03, 10:18 PM #9Immortal
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And the more we enable it, the worse it gets (or the quicker we reach to the inevitable point).
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2017-02-03, 10:18 PM #10Stood in the Fire
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In recent news:
Superman murders Iron-man!
You're decades behind the times my friend.
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2017-02-03, 10:20 PM #11The One Sane Man
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How so, given the technology is only just becoming reality ? Originally Posted by angrys13
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2017-02-03, 10:21 PM #12The Undying
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That is truly frightening. When 2+2=5 we are all truly fucked. Originally Posted by schwarzkopf
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2017-02-03, 10:22 PM #13Immortal
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I think people believe it because they want to. A lot of assumptions made about Trump are simply related to political bias in the first place. Originally Posted by schwarzkopf
But video and audio tampering is not just bad in terms of politics. Reputation of several individuals could get broken in a few clicks.
We would officially be in the post-information era.Google Diversity Memo
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2017-02-03, 10:23 PM #14The Unstoppable Force
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Isn't the stance of Trump supporters that all bad news about him are fake and only the good ones are true? Originally Posted by BloodElf4Life
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2017-02-03, 10:24 PM #15Immortal
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"Superman defends himself against crazed, money-hungry possibly-nuclear-charged Robot menace." Originally Posted by angrys13
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"The universe is now poorer after self made men-hating Jockey steals Iron-Young Adult's life in cold blood."
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2017-02-03, 10:25 PM #16The One Sane Man
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Something Trump would be immune to... real scandal can't touch him fake scandal won't either. Originally Posted by BloodElf4Life
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2017-02-03, 10:33 PM #17Immortal
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Ironman's fortune led him to power: Superman weights in. Originally Posted by Darkeon
"The day when we allow money to buy superpower is the day where we say to gifted mutants: "Well, that's cool, but we don't care about you or your culture". The racism, the anti-gift mentality is breaking our world and people like Ironman and even Batman, who wears a full black suit no less, rise to power. The alt-heroes is a scourge, very similar to the alt-right and nazis of before and we, as super-heroes, need to defend our culture. " #ImWithHeroes #MyRightfulPower #DeathToAltHeroes
Protests broke out yesterday after Tony Stark said that being a hero is not an innate right. He was quickly rebuffed by Superwoman and Peter Parker, before having Superman weighting in today. The most common criticism seems to be his hypocrisy of buying powers, whereas humans shouldn't be allowed to buy their way to godhood.
More to come on CNN, the Cyborg National Network.Google Diversity Memo
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2017-02-03, 10:34 PM #18Merely a Setback
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I'm not sure how, really. I mean okay "fake news" may be really well written, but much like Kellyanne Conway citing a fake massacre, it's really no more complicated than, I suppose at worst, calling the locals and asking if it actually happened.
Sure, might be hard to verify when they're talking about events in other countries, but really, "fake news" tends to be distinguished by the fact that it didn't happen.
On top of that, even if you could edit video to make a video look legit, there's still the fact that Bob who was in the video can speak up, and even sue you for doing just that.
Fake news only survives as long as people don't challenge it.Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
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2017-02-03, 10:34 PM #19Legendary!
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Err why 2020? What makes you think you can distinguish them now?
Everything breaks down to the credibility (or the credibility you have) of the source. You can be presented with pure facts, and the numbers don't even have to be wrong, but by omitting parts you can come to a completely different conclusion.
We live in an age where we have more information at our fingertips than ever before, and the information is close to worthless because we can no longer agree on the validity of the information given.
Technical updates like video editing is just the icing on the cake.
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2017-02-03, 10:35 PM #20Immortal
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I would sign up to CNN newsletter. Originally Posted by BloodElf4Life
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