Subtlety Bug needs to be fixed

[Ican1v5]

Please spread the word that mantle of the master assassin is op for sub and it needs to be fixed
if you shadowdance during stealth, your stealth won't break.
causing the mantles 100% crit to work far beyond its intended duration
if you weave all shadowdances and utilite sprint and draught of souls in between, restock shadowdance for about 20s-30s ,and vanish for another long string of 100% crit
the skys the limit for sub rogues
Why cant I have the op legendaries before its nerfed? Why? Please spread the word and let it be fixed.
salty as fck

The bug works in pvp as well. As long as you weave shadowdance, you can keep on attacking people without revealing yourself. Even if they aoe damage you, or has dot on you that's ticking. Only aoe CC will break you out.

MUST BE FIXED!

Update:
Shadow Dance now cancels stealth.
However, if you shadowdance before applying stealth, you will still be able to dps without breaking stealth for the duration of shadowdance even though shadowdance buff is not visible.(your character will glow purple for the duration.)(PVE for opener, small benefit)
In combat vanish can also be done the same way, cast shadowdance right before vanish buff wears off to apply stealth onto you. Five seconds extra in stealth for the duration.(Get out of sticky situation in pvp for extra 5 seconds if you have dot on you.)

[Spiffums]

Devs don't read this forum.

[enchiridion]

cannot reproduce this at all, however it is possible with good timing (and weakauras) to have it up for 34sec (maybe 37 if subterfuge keeps it up during its 3sec duration) not accounting for putting in vanish, that does make the mantle stupidly strong for sub, but the spec is working as intended as far as all my trials show

[Soisoisoi]

Devs don't read this forum.

They actually probably do. At the very least, we do have some blue posters actually reading and replying on here. With that said, this definitely isn't the way to report bugs.

[Ican1v5]

cannot reproduce this at all, however it is possible with good timing (and weakauras) to have it up for 34sec (maybe 37 if subterfuge keeps it up during its 3sec duration) not accounting for putting in vanish, that does make the mantle stupidly strong for sub, but the spec is working as intended as far as all my trials show

Seems it requires subterfuge. You have to press shadowdance while in stealth, not during subterfuge. Not sure why its not working for you.

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They actually probably do. At the very least, we do have some blue posters actually reading and replying on here. With that said, this definitely isn't the way to report bugs.

Just got pissed when I discovered this and been spreading the words. I did submit bug report.

[Kwakman]

I thought you were talking about the Weaponmaster Eviscerate bug giving 0% dmg finality

[Blayke]

Not sure this is a bug or intended actually. I don't have the shoulders, but I have noticed the interaction between subterfuge and shadowdance. I always avoided using shadowdance until subterfuge was used up, afraid I would clip the buff. Then I noticed that if you hit SD in while in stealth but before you attack, the SD buff will run it's course and THEN the subterfuge buff kicks in, allowing you to get the full benefit of both.

In any case the op seems to be over reacting a bit.

[T18Z]

Not sure this is a bug or intended actually. I don't have the shoulders, but I have noticed the interaction between subterfuge and shadowdance. I always avoided using shadowdance until subterfuge was used up, afraid I would clip the buff. Then I noticed that if you hit SD in while in stealth but before you attack, the SD buff will run it's course and THEN the subterfuge buff kicks in, allowing you to get the full benefit of both.

In any case the op seems to be over reacting a bit.

Basically salty he hasn't got the legendary so wants to ruin everyone elses fun with it, despite sub being underepresented anyway. The butthurt is strong.

[Adalwolf]

Not sure this is a bug or intended actually.

It's 100% sure a bug, most likely a bannable one in some cases. I was able to kill people in world PvP without dropping stealth with this bug. Even if I get hit by AoE spells or CC'ed, I won't drop stealth if Shadowdance is active. It's usable in Arenas, which makes it extremely broken. The interaction with the legendary shoulders isn't nearly as problematic as the issue it causes being able to kill people that can't see you.

Anyway, if Blizzard wanted to allow Shadowdance to retain any sort of benefit from the legendary shoulders, they would just make it works with Shadowdance, and not allow it to work only by using a shady mechanic that most people don't know about.

[Maelstrom51]

I don't think its a huge deal in PvE considering the massive loss in Shadow Dance uptime it causes.

In PvP its pretty fucked though. I dueled a friend and I was completely untargetable.

[Aethys256]

Gamebreaking in PvP, Gamechanging in PvE.
Guess they'll fix it asap, hope they'll give us some % dmg in compensation aswell.

[Aureli]

I don't think its a huge deal in PvE considering the massive loss in Shadow Dance uptime it causes.

In PvP its pretty fucked though. I dueled a friend and I was completely untargetable.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...42&class=Rogue

almost 100k diff

Gamebreaking in PvP, Gamechanging in PvE.
Guess they'll fix it asap, hope they'll give us some % dmg in compensation aswell.

I dont think there is a reason for compensation.

[Maelstrom51]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...42&class=Rogue

almost 100k diff

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...uras&source=11

He wasn't abusing the bug.

[Aethys256]

I do see a reason, without this (and even the whole flickering shadows), Subtlety isn't in a good shape.
We have the sub boots bug still ongoing btw.
And way more bugs.

And on the logs you linked, yes he used the bug on the first dance.

[Todesbote]

We have the sub boots bug still ongoing btw.
And way more bugs.

The shoulders bug(?).
The Finality/Anticipation bug(?).

But what about the boots? Is the fact that the boots give more energy on bosses with larger hitboxes considered a bug?

If so, all of the above are actually bugs we benefit from.

[Aethys256]

Yes, that's right.
Too many bugs, but Blizzard don't care about them so I lost my hope and stopped to report them.

All of them are in SimC though, except the last one. (The one about this thread, Stealth "Exploit")


Edit: Well, I tried twitter. https://twitter.com/AethysDev/status/828556163482542080

[Deleted]

mfw I've had shoulders as a sub rogue since the day they went live but I didn't know about this, thanks. Feels like it's too OP to be OK to use though.

[Ican1v5]

Update:
Shadow Dance now cancels stealth.
However, if you shadowdance before applying stealth, you will still be able to dps without breaking stealth for the duration of shadowdance even though shadowdance buff is not visible.(your character will glow purple for the duration.)
In combat vanish can also be done the same way, cast shadowdance right before vanish buff wears off to apply stealth onto you. Five seconds extra in stealth for the duration.

[elfporn]

Update:
Shadow Dance now cancels stealth.
However, if you shadowdance before applying stealth, you will still be able to dps without breaking stealth for the duration of shadowdance even though shadowdance buff is not visible.(your character will glow purple for the duration.)
In combat vanish can also be done the same way, cast shadowdance right before vanish buff wears off to apply stealth onto you. Five seconds extra in stealth for the duration.

are you trying to say there was a hotfix for this shit? or you just figured out how it works.

[Maelstrom51]

are you trying to say there was a hotfix for this shit? or you just figured out how it works.

He's saying it was hotfixed but in a really dumb way that makes it possible still.