Man calling for “peaceful ethnic cleansing” gets attacked

[Orbitus]

If you think punching someone is an acceptable response to not liking someones views, do you also agree that it's ok to punch you if someone doesn't yours? There are no actual Nazis left and you calling someone that doesn't make it so but even if it did, they are just some fringe morons no one takes seriously anyway. If you hit them in the face, all you accomplish is cementing their views and drawing attention to them(I for one didn't even know who that guy was before the incident).

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Hes views are so stupid, Id be tempted to bring a chair..

If you actually think that Richard Spencer isn't a Nazi, then you should probably read the rest of the thread, and watch the video of him actually doing the whole bullshit about "Hail Trump" like he is fucking Hitler.

[Cuppy]

I always enjoy when someone like that gets punched in the face. I hope the attacker didn't hurt his hand tho.

[Mormolyce]

That's a horrible comment. Fascism can only take hold here if people attack them and they gain sympathy. If you want Fascism to die out, then expose it to the sun, and let it whither. Those who support the ideology will simply look like fools. Attacking makes them martyrs.

People shouldn't be made afraid to have a stupid ideology. They should be confronted with well reasoned arguments and civility.

Remember that time we defeated fascism with well reasoned arguments and civility?

[Lumicide]

Remember that time we defeated fascism with well reasoned arguments and civility?

We're not talking about a group that's in power and is attacking foreign nations that therefor needs to be defeated. It's a group that's gaining sympathy and support because of violence perpetrated against them.

And all you're saying by justifying violence is that you don't have a well-reasoned argument against them. They 'will' gain sympathy if you they are attacked, if you want them to gain power, then physically attack them. They want civil society, the rule of law, to fail, so they can have an excuse to take the place of the authorities and rise to power.

[Mormolyce]

We're not talking about a group that's in power and is attacking foreign nations that therefor needs to be defeated. It's a group that's gaining sympathy and support because of violence perpetrated against them.

Nor were the Brownshirts. Until they were.

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10/10 for Comedic Effect

0/10 for political effectiveness

net result: Major comedy

[Canpinter]

Nor were the Brownshirts. Until they were.

then you should be advocating for violence that actually stops them, a punch in the face dose nothing to hidden their efforts, ether pick up a gun and kill them because you think they pose a real threat or defeat them with debate and discourse. petty low grade violence accomplishes nothing.

[JohnBrown1917]

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You obviously stop them when it turns into anything more than just talking. That's the whole point here, he was just talking.

He should not be allowed to recruit poeple either.

[The Casualty]

Good! I'm all for disagreement and debate. Humanity should be messy. That's precisely why fascism should be aggressively opposed at every turn.

So you are expecting people to give you the benefit to disagree with and debate you for your views. Interesting that you also state that certain views should be met with physical violence.

Why should anyone give you that benefit? Why should you not get assaulted in public?

I also don't understand this wide gap between offering reasoned debate and violence. As if I don't attack this Spencer guy I automatically have to give him time or attention. Surely there is an ocean between legitimizing views and shutting them down with assault. I mean I have been seeing protests in the news for a variety of things. Do those not work?

[Heladys]

We're not talking about a group that's in power and is attacking foreign nations that therefor needs to be defeated. It's a group that's gaining sympathy and support because of violence perpetrated against them.

And all you're saying by justifying violence is that you don't have a well-reasoned argument against them. They 'will' gain sympathy if you they are attacked, if you want them to gain power, then physically attack them. They want civil society, the rule of law, to fail, so they can have an excuse to take the place of the authorities and rise to power.

If you're building sympathy for Nazis, it's because there's something deeply and fundamentally wrong with you.

[Blade Wolf]

Like publishing essays called "Is Black Genocide Right?" (Spoiler alert: They think it is.)
Or calling for ethnic cleansing?
Or promoting concentration camps.
Or that time he was screaming HAIL TRUMP and everyone was doing Nazi salutes?

Yeah, it's just Spencer disagreeing

Which he is allowed to do. But the second someone lays their hands on him just for holding these views then they should be charged with assault. I despise his views but i defend his rights to say them.

[psyquest]

Hateful idiot guy using the words ethnic cleansing get punched in the face?

He deserved it.

[The Casualty]

I defend the right of people to hit him in the face.

Your views, while on the other end of the spectrum from that neo-nazi, I view as extreme. I mean, you are saying that vigilantism should be supported.

Do you mind if I encourage other people to hit you? Why or why not?

[Wells]

No reason why it should be messy. We need order for society to function.

You need both. Obviously a country has to have laws and reliability, but stagnancy is decay and humanity is not particularly orderly by nature. Successful societies can rectify the two needs and liberal democracy is very good at doing so.

If you think punching someone is an acceptable response to not liking someones views

No, I think its an acceptable response to not liking nazi fascism.

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Then don't debate them. Laugh at them. Call them morons.

But violence is not the answer, and the fact you think it is....is very ironic since we're referring to fascism.

How about we take a swing at them and then laugh at them when they cry on camera.

[Wells]

Because I don't support ethnic cleansing.

Yes, it is that simple

Right? False equivalences are always pathetic, but its especially bad in here.

[Rooflesstoofless]

Hateful idiot guy using the words ethnic cleansing get punched in the face?

He deserved it.

I'm going to say the same thing about antifa members that turn up dead because they are stupid enough to start fights with the armed side of the political spectrum.

[Nathreim]

His name is Raymond Balley or as they call him on his website Slave Ray he does scat and cuck fetish porn.

If you are going to punch a Nazi do it right didnt even phase him the dick just kept talking.

[Wells]

I'm going to say the same thing about antifa members that turn up dead because they are stupid enough to start fights with the armed side of the political spectrum.

Extrapolations from average trends don't hold water when you're not talking about average people.

[The Casualty]

Because I don't support ethnic cleansing.

Yes, it is that simple

But it's not. You were the one who drew the line in the sand. Why do you get to make the rule? Couldn't someone else draw a different line? If you support people taking matters into their own hands, what stops someone else from attacking you, or for that matter, my family on the street because of perceived injustice?

If those nazis gain power, you have paved their way to do the same to you. Are you okay with that?




Personally, if I felt this guy belonged to a dangerous group and I sincerely thought that he might do something to encourage that ethnic cleansing or become the next Dylan Roof and wasn't just shooting his mouth off, I would be making sure that https://tips.fbi.gov/ his group was thoroughly investigated and shut down for good, hopefully with lengthy prison sentences.

Punching people like that just supports the notion that other people can do the same to you, and it certainly isn't going to stop domestic or foreign terrorism.

[JohnBrown1917]

His name is Raymond Balley or as they call him on his website Slave Ray he does scat and cuck fetish porn.

If you are going to punch a Nazi do it right didnt even phase him the dick just kept talking.

Ive yet to see a source for this.