Despite rumours, there's no evidence of a paedophile ring on YouTube

[Zelk]

I heard one of them disguised themselves as a school

[Kathandira]

Well as I said I haven't seen any sort of confirmations or arrests made but I don't really keep up with such news. Although I have heard of US internet personalities getting with younger fans out of country but not all countries AOC is 18 like in the US.

Sure, but since it is 18 in the U.S., if a 27 year old (random age example) has sex with a 16 year old (assuming the AOC in a particular area is that age) when they return to the U.S., people will still look at them as a pedophile since 18 is the AOC in the U.S.

[s_bushido]

The defense was that it is a work of fiction. Still the entire loli genre is sexualization of minors.

Yes, yes, and we all know that Doom turned a generation of kids into Satan-worshiping mass murderers. Fiction is fiction. Whether it's disemboweling demons, or fucking little anime girls.

[Dug]

Sure, but since it is 18 in the U.S., if a 27 year old (random age example) has sex with a 16 year old (assuming the AOC in a particular area is that age) when they return to the U.S., people will still look at them as a pedophile since 18 is the AOC in the U.S.

Oh for sure but as far as legality goes there's not much that can be done with them and like most internet drama it tends to go away very quickly. Which is unfortunate cause I think abusing loopholes like that is scummy.

[Kathandira]

Oh for sure but as far as legality goes there's not much that can be done with them and like most internet drama it tends to go away very quickly. Which is unfortunate cause I think abusing loopholes like that is scummy.

Agreed. Nothing that can be done legally, but the social stain can't be washed out.

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Much like those who watch pedo hentai. Might be legal, but I still look at them as people who shouldn't be trusted around children.

[derpkitteh]

Idk about a paedophile ring but there's definitely videos on the website that are... questionable. They tow the line just enough to avoid bans. A lot of them seem to be from latin countries or eastern european.

And there's also this new phenomenon of videos made for kids that people are making. Just look up Spiderman + Elsa videos and you'll see what I mean. They don't do anything illegal but it all creeps me out still. Especially cause they use rather uh click baity sorta sexual images/titles to get kids to click.

the spiderman elsa videos are goddamned creepy as fuck.

there's real kids in those videos, too. if they belong to the adults in the videos, they should really be taken and put in a new home.

[Dug]

Much like those who watch pedo hentai. Might be legal, but I still look at them as people who shouldn't be trusted around children.

I'll agree with you there. They definitely need to be watched a lot more closely and they may argue that it's unfair but a child's safety takes precedence.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

So if I understand well, it's about kids doing regular (non-sexual) youtube videos that are then shared privately within a circle of adults, saying and making sexual scenarios about these kids.

Yeah, that's pretty much pedophilia.

[Dug]

the spiderman elsa videos are goddamned creepy as fuck.

there's real kids in those videos, too. if they belong to the adults in the videos, they should really be taken and put in a new home.

Yeah that's the worst thing to me. Having actual children in the videos just rubs me the wrong way.

And now I'm realizing that's probably a poor choice of idiom

[Robozerim]

Sure, but since it is 18 in the U.S., if a 27 year old (random age example) has sex with a 16 year old (assuming the AOC in a particular area is that age) when they return to the U.S., people will still look at them as a pedophile since 18 is the AOC in the U.S.

Nitpicking perhaps, but it's not actually 18 in most of the United States. Sixteen is the most common age of consent in the USA.

[Kathandira]

Nitpicking perhaps, but it's not actually 18 in most of the United States. Sixteen is the most common age of consent in the USA.

Totally fair point. I can get a little anecdotal when considering other states laws.

[Dug]

Nitpicking perhaps, but it's not actually 18 in most of the United States. Sixteen is the most common age of consent in the USA.

Isn't it like 16 but you have to be within a certain age range? Like an 18 year old isn't going to be charged for being with a 16 year old partner but a 30 something definitely would.

[Robozerim]

Isn't it like 16 but you have to be within a certain age range? Like an 18 year old isn't going to be charged for being with a 16 year old partner but a 30 something definitely would.

I don't think so, but it may vary from state to state. I'm not exactly in the USA, I'm from Canada. We have a much simpler 16 across the board rule (increased from 14 in 2008 according to Wikipedia).

[NED funded]

Yes, yes, and we all know that Doom turned a generation of kids into Satan-worshiping mass murderers. Fiction is fiction. Whether it's disemboweling demons, or fucking little anime girls.

Well what makes a game fun tends to be its gameplay. What makes porn enjoyable depends on ones sexual fetishes? So if you jack off to drawn pictures of sexualized minors it kinda tells something about yourself.

[Masark]

Isn't it like 16 but you have to be within a certain age range? Like an 18 year old isn't going to be charged for being with a 16 year old partner but a 30 something definitely would.

1. What you're talking about is called a "close in age" exemption, or a "Romeo and Juliet law"". It doesn't exist in most states.

2. No, it's flat 16 in most states. Wikipedia has an extensive article about it detailing each state's laws.

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I don't think so, but it may vary from state to state. I'm not exactly in the USA, I'm from Canada. We have a much simpler 16 across the board rule (increased from 14 in 2008 according to Wikipedia).

Not quite simple, though it is sensible and uniform across the nation. There are two close in age exemptions, covering 5 years for 14 and 15 year olds and 2 years for 12 and 13. And well as certain circumstances that raise the age of consent to 18.

[Mehrunes]

Oh for sure but as far as legality goes there's not much that can be done with them and like most internet drama it tends to go away very quickly. Which is unfortunate cause I think abusing loopholes like that is scummy.

How is US law not applying to not-US a loophole?

[Dug]

1. What you're talking about is called a "close in age" exemption, or a "Romeo and Juliet law"". It doesn't exist in most states.

2. No, it's flat 16 in most states. Wikipedia has an extensive article about it detailing each state's laws.

the age of consent has widely varied across the country in the past. In 1880, the age of consent was set at 10 or 12 in most states, with the exception of Delaware where it was 7.

Jeeeezus. We've come a long way. Thanks for the link tho

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How is US law not applying to not-US a loophole?

I don't mean a legal loophole more like a uh societal norm.. loophole? To go to a country where you can have sex with someone below the age of consent in your own country. A scummy move in my book even if it's all legal.

[Robozerim]

1. What you're talking about is called a "close in age" exemption, or a "Romeo and Juliet law"". It doesn't exist in most states.

2. No, it's flat 16 in most states. Wikipedia has an extensive article about it detailing each state's laws.

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Not quite simple, though it is sensible. There are two close in age exemptions, covering 5 years for 14 and 15 year olds and 2 years for 12 and 13. And well as certain circumstances that raise the age of consent to 18.

Simple as in it's 16 in all provinces and territories because it's a federal standard rather than decided by each state like it is in the USA. I knew about those exceptions, I was just being lazy about not mentioning them. In Canada you know what it is regardless of where you're at, but in the USA you have to do research based on the state you're in.

[derpkitteh]

Well what makes a game fun tends to be its gameplay. What makes porn enjoyable depends on ones sexual fetishes? So if you jack off to drawn pictures of sexualized minors it kinda tells something about yourself.

like, i'm not into loli or anything. i think it should be legal, because it might provide and outlet to people with those urges. i think it depends on the inflection with which you're masturbating to it. if you go there because it looks like a kid, i have some bad news for ya. if it's one of those adults with the childlike body, and you masturbate to porn of them cause you like them as a character and their personality? idk, it's kinda unclear. i mean, it's not like an anime character looks exactly like a human anyway.

and also, what if you look up adult versions of children in cartoons/anime? is that still pedo? i mean, something sparked a sexual interest there for you to look it up in the first place.

[Mehrunes]

Isn't it like 16 but you have to be within a certain age range? Like an 18 year old isn't going to be charged for being with a 16 year old partner but a 30 something definitely would.

No, general age of consent in over half of the states is 16 years old. Some lower that further with Romeo and Juliet laws.

I don't mean a legal loophole more like a uh societal norm.. loophole? To go to a country where you can have sex with someone below the age of consent in your own country. A scummy move in my book even if it's all legal.

Does it apply to just sex or other areas of intimacy (or life in general) that are prohibited in one's place of origin? Like, is it scummy if a man with a mustache from Iowa is on a family trip in Florida and kisses his partner in public there? And since age of consent isn't equal across US, is it scummy to do that on inter-state level? What if you live in a state that has age of consent of 18 years and do that, but you moved to that state only recently and were born and spent most of your life in a state where the age of consent is 16, and as such you were shaped by societal norms of that state?