Judgement of ligth for holy

[Thundering]

Make the curent judgement of light baseline for holy paladins
And change the talent so that all attacks on the target with a judgement of light will heal raid/party members for the damage done.
I think this would make it more fun and intresting.

[Waltzinblack]

It can't be made baseline as only one can be applied to a target, which means if there's more than 1 holy paladin in the raid one of them is gonna get gibbed.

[GreenJesus]

Is judgement of light really that good? I prefer having a burst healing cooldown.

[Elunetrain]

It's the best talent to take. Especially if you have the ring that increases heals when you judge as you'll be casting it pretty much whenever it's off cd.

It's really annoying to zone in check peoples talents, use a tome or hearth to change or asking tanks to hearth to change. Irritating

[Taeldorian]

"For the damage done"

Lmao okay so by "fun and interesting" you mean stupidly OP? Demon hunters healing themselves for 500k per tick of eye beam, rets healing themselves for 1mil+ during wings, etc.

Yeah, no.

[Thundering]

"For the damage done"

Lmao okay so by "fun and interesting" you mean stupidly OP? Demon hunters healing themselves for 500k per tick of eye beam, rets healing themselves for 1mil+ during wings, etc.

Yeah, no.

Since when are they Holy paladins?

It can't be made baseline as only one can be applied to a target, which means if there's more than 1 holy paladin in the raid one of them is gonna get gibbed.

Or it means two holy paladins can coordinate to be able to keep judgement of light up as much as possible while evry hit from both of them use 1 procc+the normal usage.

[Taeldorian]

Since when are they Holy paladins?

Do you not realize Judgement of light heals everyone who hits the boss and not just the holy pally? Therefore making You're suggestion ridiculously overpowered and not close to realistic.

Your suggestion was to:

1. Make it baseline

2. Change the talent so all attacks on that target with JoL will heal raid/party members for the damage done.

Dumb, overpowered and ridiculous. No offense mate but, just no.

[Archibalde]

Make the curent judgement of light baseline for holy paladins
And change the talent so that all attacks on the target with a judgement of light will heal raid/party members for the damage done.
I think this would make it more fun and intresting.

If you have time to DPS, that usually means the raid isn't taking much damage to begin with. If your damage also healed, it would mostly turn to overhealing anyway. Not to mention that if Judgement of Light was baseline and the Holy Paladin DPS'ed to heal, he or she would burning through his/her own stacks in the process with that talent. Nobody would ever pick that over Sanctified Wrath, it would just be pointless. Your actual healing spells would always be more efficient.

Or it means two holy paladins can coordinate to be able to keep judgement of light up as much as possible while evry hit from both of them use 1 procc+the normal usage.

And it's not like it's very hard to keep Judgement of Light up on a target. Trying to weave them between 2 Holy Paladins would require way too much coordination for something that would still end up being an HPS loss for both of them.

[Elbob]

or let the prot pally take jol since they can actually keep up the buff on their own =P

[Cazz17]

or let the prot pally take jol since they can actually keep up the buff on their own =P

What if there isn't a prot pala?

[Deleted]

Making JoL baseline for Holy kills the talent for Prot and Ret. Unless you change it for those specs too, in which case only Ret is allowed to use it, and you can drop a healer from the raid.

Changing it to heal based on the paladin's damage done makes it overpowered for 5man content and either kills it for progression raiding or makes it a mandatory mechanic to play around (so all Holy paladins are required to stay in melee and dps for overpowered raid healing).

If you want to deal damage while healing go with the shockadin build.

[Waltzinblack]

Since when are they Holy paladins?


Or it means two holy paladins can coordinate to be able to keep judgement of light up as much as possible while evry hit from both of them use 1 procc+the normal usage.

The stacks don't drop fast enough.

[Thundering]

Do you not realize Judgement of light heals everyone who hits the boss and not just the holy pally? Therefore making You're suggestion ridiculously overpowered and not close to realistic.

Your suggestion was to:

1. Make it baseline

2. Change the talent so all attacks on that target with JoL will heal raid/party members for the damage done.

Dumb, overpowered and ridiculous. No offense mate but, just no.

That is offensive, and clearly you are not reaiding since it says "Judgement of ligth for holy" and it is posted in the paladin section, only holy paladins will do this while it´s normal effect(current) applies to evryone else.

The stacks don't drop fast enough.

It can in a melee heavy raid, and that is something that is stupid that ranged dps does not get anything from it. Not to mention 2 holy paladins using 1 charge evry attack will drain it pretty fast.

As the talent is now it is pretty bad and not used for holy paladins, and this would open up a gameplay that is instead of standing there and spamming holy light like a priest, the paladin will instead stand at the boss fighting it with his attacks.

[Clarius]

As the talent is now it is pretty bad and not used for holy paladins, and this would open up a gameplay that is instead of standing there and spamming holy light like a priest, the paladin will instead stand at the boss fighting it with his attacks.

Sorry to offend you, but obviously u have no idea how to play holy.

[Archibalde]

As the talent is now it is pretty bad and not used for holy paladins

You might want to look at some logs before making that kind of statement... It's used by most top parsing Holy Paladins, on a majority of the fights in NH. It can easily make up 10-15% of your healing. It's not in any way bad or unused in its current state.

[Thundering]

You might want to look at some logs before making that kind of statement... It's used by most top parsing Holy Paladins, on a majority of the fights in NH. It can easily make up 10-15% of your healing. It's not in any way bad or unused in its current state.

I read it is only usefull if you got the leg. ring aswell sanctified wrath is always prefered.

[Lizardo221]

I read it is only usefull if you got the leg. ring aswell sanctified wrath is always prefered.

Your source is plain wrong then. Use some logic on this one: you click a button and the raid smart heals itself for you. So, you are picking between a constant smart heal or an improved cd that demands you use the cd perfectly in a perfect situation to break even on hps. The smart heal wins 9 times out of 10.

[Solis666]

I miss judgement of light back on WOTLK and keep refreshing your Judgements, right now don't look so efficient until you get the legendary ring

[Taeldorian]

I miss judgement of light back on WOTLK and keep refreshing your Judgements, right now don't look so efficient until you get the legendary ring

It's very efficient even without the ring. Both SW and JoL are useful and both are good talents. Just look at logs to confirm this yourself.

[Deleted]

you already want to be pressing judgment even if you don't have jol/ilterendi. unless you can't survive a mechanic without sw there's no reason not to have jol.