The rise of the Right

[zenkai]

To be fair the right just elected one of their radicals. (or at least a person who listens only to radicals)

Yes, the pendulum of power keeps swinging hard right and hard left, eventually it will go in circles.

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The moderate left(as tiny as it is in the US) is in now way responible for the extreme left.
Not to mention the center right in the US seems to be worse at it, just look at how much power the extreme right has with Bannon and Pence. when did the extreme left ever get in power in the west?

You may think that but that's not how people view things, when the Tea Party kicked in, people associated them with all Republicans.

[JohnBrown1917]

Yes, the pendulum of power keeps swinging hard right and hard left, eventually it will go in circles.

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You may think that but that's not how people view things, when the Tea Party kicked in, people associated them with all Republicans.

Thanfully, that is not my problem.

[Endus]

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The problem about the pendulum is that someone could stop swinging it at one hard side.

What if the pendulum will be kept at the very right position?

[Glorious Leader]

Im ammused by this notion of an extreme left. You people dont even have a fucking labor party never mind an honest to god marcxist or socialist party.

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The problem about the pendulum is that someone could stop swinging it at one hard side.

What if the pendulum will be kept at the very right position?

Thats precisley whats happenes. The overton window of permissible politicial discussion in the media and in the government has moved to the right.

The most radical politician in the maimstream with any hint of leftist or progressive direction is bernie sanders. At most sanders is a new deal era democrat. Apparently thats far left now.

[Gestopft]

Im ammused by this notion of an extreme left. You people dont even have a fucking labor party never mind an honest to god marcxist or socialist party.

Bernie is one of the farthest left politicians to gain any real prominence in decades, and he's fairly center-left by international standards. Conservatives have been screaming "Commie" at the left until they're red in the face, and I don't expect it to stop soon.

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Im ammused by this notion of an extreme left. You people dont even have a fucking labor party never mind an honest to god marcxist or socialist party.

It seemed Bernie Sanders was the incarnation of Karl Marx for some americans, while he just was a social democrat.

[cubby]

So one side are stupid thugs 100 years behind ''the current year. And the other inteligent people whose main fault is that they're too smart for the rest?

Amazing.

Isn't it, though? Although not "too smart for the rest", more like too aggressively progressive (if I'm allowed to do that with the english language) for either the Conservatives or the middle. Which then completely alienates them and turns them against the very things that could actually help them.

By all means, please disagree. I would be interested in discussing this further if you're interested.

[Glorious Leader]

Bernie is one of the farthest left politicians to gain any real prominence in decades, and he's fairly center-left by international standards. Conservatives have been screaming "Commie" at the left until they're red in the face, and I don't expect it to stop soon.

Hes a new deal democrat ala fdr. As far as im concerned hes a fucking centrist in so far as centrist means representing the views of the people in the country. Hes not a fucking radical by any god damn means.

[Moon-Man]

As we´re from the same city, i have yet to see the "batshit crazy lefties" you´re talking about.

There are 2 possible reason for that:

1. You never go out. And perhaps when you actually do, you go where lefties are not active usually.

2. You are a lefty and therefore you will fail to see the "batshit" crazies of the lefties. Left-wing is heavily hypocritical as well. They are actually more racist than any other political sides. Basically Lefties are heavily indoctrinated and deluded to the point where it could essentially be a mental Illness of the highest degree.

Oh and btw, I am centric when it comes to left or right in politics. And I tend to agree with Right wings. They are far more reasonable then lefties. Perhaps Left wings got deluded in their own power for being in power for so long. It is time to get Left-wings evicted from power.

[Glorious Leader]

It seemed Bernie Sanders was the incarnation of Karl Marx for some americans, while he just was a social democrat.

These people have no fucking concept what a marxist is.

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There are 2 possible reason for that:

1. You never go out. And perhaps when you actually do, you go where lefties are not active usually.

2. You are a lefty and therefore you will fail to see the "batshit" crazies of the lefties. Left-wing is heavily hypocritical as well. They are actually more racist than any other political sides. Basically Lefties are heavily indoctrinated and deluded to the point where it could essentially be a mental Illness of the highest degree.

3. They dont fucking exist. Youre deluded by alt right nonsense and fox news and are really just projecting because your indoctrinated and deluded.

[Super Kami Dende]

The "Right" isn't really "rising", it's always been there. People are just less worried about being publicly "Right" these days because they have realised there are mental cse on both ends of the Spectrum yet see the extreme left as more damaging to Western Society.

Hell I'm mostly "left" when it comes to a lot of things, Pro-LBGT, have always seen Women as equal, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Climate Science, Pro-Choice, Pro-Freedom of Speech etc. My Right leaning things are Anti-Mass Immigration/Refugee, Harsher Penalties for Dangerous Criminal, Pro-Police. I'm against most organized Religion though but I'm not sure what that falls under Left or Right.

With all that said, even though most of my ideals lean left I'm still often called Right.

[Queen of Hamsters]

The rise of the "Right" (i.e. conservative - I realize that some countries denote conservative as Left - hence the clarification) has always been based on fear and hate - in some form or another, oppressing one group so that another can gain power. The Conservative agenda targets groups that they can pin problems on, usually irrationally and inaccurately, and then propagates that message to gain votes. We typically see violence, and sometimes even death. The movement is marred by a desire to "move the clock back" and the message is typically an easy one to repeat, making it grow rapidly.

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Such as "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!", in other words.
I'm far more scared of the attitudes growing than say, the immigrants coming to my country. Why? Because the attitudes growing is shared among people in power in some major areas of the world, and we've seen what happens when the right goes to extremes...

And, just now from news on the Swedish telly; Far right extremists are on the rise.

[JohnBrown1917]

The "Right" isn't really "rising", it's always been there. People are just less worried about being publicly "Right" these days because they have realised there are mental cse on both ends of the Spectrum yet see the extreme left as more damaging to Western Society.

Hell I'm mostly "left" when it comes to a lot of things, Pro-LBGT, have always seen Women as equal, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Climate Science, Pro-Choice, Pro-Freedom of Speech etc. My Right leaning things are Anti-Mass Immigration/Refugee, Harsher Penalties for Dangerous Criminal, Pro-Police. I'm against most organized Religion though but I'm not sure what that falls under Left or Right.

With all that said, even though most of my ideals lean left I'm still often called Right.

I will never get how some parts of the world made that a left/right thing.

[Queen of Hamsters]

The "Right" isn't really "rising", it's always been there. People are just less worried about being publicly "Right" these days because they have realised there are mental cse on both ends of the Spectrum yet see the extreme left as more damaging to Western Society.

Hell I'm mostly "left" when it comes to a lot of things, Pro-LBGT, have always seen Women as equal, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Climate Science, Pro-Choice, Pro-Freedom of Speech etc. My Right leaning things are Anti-Mass Immigration/Refugee, Harsher Penalties for Dangerous Criminal, Pro-Police. I'm against most organized Religion though but I'm not sure what that falls under Left or Right.

With all that said, even though most of my ideals lean left I'm still often called Right.

Yeaah... I think it's pretty healthy to be balanced, really. Balanced people will always be less scary to me than extremists, in any direction.

On an entirely unrelated note, your avatar triggers me... The eternal struggle!

[Super Kami Dende]

I will never get how some parts of the world made that a left/right thing.

Mostly because Right Wing is generally seen as Conservative Religious People, Religious people are generally more against the Ideas of things happening because of Science and more things happening because of God. Add that to the belief they have that the Earth is only a few thousand years old makes trying to explain measurements of Times vs Cause and effect hard when you start reaching back 100's of thousands of years.

Though I've also met quite a few "left"people that are anti-Climate science, but they are just morons that are also anti-vaccine and such.

[baskev]

I myself have been called nazi, alt-right, scum of the earth fascist and all the other buzzwords many people spout out on a regular basis on this forum. Yet I vote for the moderat party in Sweden (and was even a member for a short time) which would be more in line with Bernie Sanders then with anything else in the Political landscape of the USA (socialised healthcare and all that stuff), people from the right do care about people. We don't care if a child who was raped was black white jew hindu or whatever colour doesnt matter its the act. I have never heard anyone within politics except for people of the likes of Nordiska motstånds rörelsen ( nordic resistance movement =real nazi's) call for extermanation of anyone. And this is what imo has lead to the rise of the far right is that when you call people who are from the right side of the spectrum nazi's bigots and fascists you are NORMALIZING actual racism and fascism from these proper extreme parties because people are thinking that party and the one that I voted for last time are the same thing. It is people like on the left who have normalised racism.

Ofcourse there are many reasons for the rise and fall of diffrent political ideologies, but i think that this has played atleast a large part in there resuberance atleast in Sweden.

This is written after reading through the dude who raped a kid and got 2 months in Sweden, therefore the thing about rape in the above text.

P.S Sorry for my English i did my best but this is not my 1st language.

first off:

P.S Sorry for my English i did my best but this is not my 1st language.

Do not be sorry.

I myself have been called nazi, alt-right, scum of the earth fascist and all the other buzzwords many people spout out on a regular basis on this forum. Yet I vote for the moderat party in Sweden (and was even a member for a short time) which would be more in line with Bernie Sanders then with anything else in the Political landscape of the USA (socialised healthcare and all that stuff)

Maybe later in the text it will be clear why they call you a nazi but so far you seem normal. About the bernie stuff. Lets get one thing straight in most ( not all) but most western country's Americas republicans are extreme right. Most right party's in the western world governments are only liberal republicans in america.

people from the right do care about people. We don't care if a child who was raped was black white jew hindu or whatever colour doesnt matter its the act. I have never heard anyone within politics except for people of the likes of Nordiska motstånds rörelsen ( nordic resistance movement =real nazi's) call for extermanation of anyone.

And this is way allot of these trump lovers are right wing extremist. Because they do belief stuff like this.
but go on.

And this is what imo has lead to the rise of the far right is that when you call people who are from the right side of the spectrum nazi's bigots and fascists you are NORMALIZING actual racism and fascism from these proper extreme parties because people are thinking that party and the one that I voted for last time are the same thing. It is people like on the left who have normalised racism.

First part the rise of the right: THe rise of the right has to do with more then 1 thing.
- economics. I most country's its the less wealthy and educated who vote form them or>>
- religion. There are allot of western religions becoming smaller and smaller. And their hail mary is to become extremer in their beliefs .
- push of the pc. The political correctness has gone crazy.
- dumb ass media. Media are rating/money hungry. If they would bite down on subjects the right would have it much MUCH harder. In america all these cabinate picks would not happen.

Normalized racism is not a left thing. Its a right thing. Where the left just wants laws that count from everyone. The right does not want this. The right keeps pushing people into boxes. And take rights from people.

Ofcourse there are many reasons for the rise and fall of diffrent political ideologies, but i think that this has played atleast a large part in there resuberance atleast in Sweden.

This is written after reading through the dude who raped a kid and got 2 months in Sweden, therefore the thing about rape in the above text.

P.S Sorry for my English i did my best but this is not my 1st language.

Everything plays a part in the current extreme right vs extreme left politics. But i think the most blame is to be put on the media for not covering lie's , and the voters for being dump populist voting idiots and belief everything a idiot says. Because if they are quoting hitler and they still get elected by the people the people are idiots.

What has a rape to do with extreme right?? you might want to clear that up next time you post something like this. Was it a hippy, a refugee, etc etc...
And what has the sentence of 2 months have to do with left vs right politics??? Right and left are both horrible when it comes to crimes like rape.

[Super Kami Dende]

3. They dont fucking exist. Youre deluded by alt right nonsense and fox news and are really just projecting because your indoctrinated and deluded.

To claim the extremes of 1 side doesn't exist is kind of deluded in itself. There are most definitely crazies at both ends of the spectrum. I literally live with one in my sharehouse.

[baskev]

well the thing is that the lefties have gone so batshit crazy that for the silent majority of reasonable people the right seems way more ... reasonable.

nowadays right is what people 50 years ago would have called the middle.

the current political events are complete madness

..........55% to 60% in most country's vote for left. And when the numbers are higher it is ussaly the older people who vote right.
Look at america hillary got 5% more vote's..and they say about 30% of trump vote's are angry against the system vote's ( so they do not belief trump). And in Switzerland did not a lefty win ??

[petej0]

The EO issued by the so called president on the 28th of January. Targeted green card holders living in the US legally, targeted citizens of ANY country who held dual citizenship, targeted children of US citizens if they were born in a Jus soli country on the list.

Of those from the countries listed.

We already have a system of 'proper vetting' though, one of the most rigorous in the world. This article has the whole process in a concise list, please elaborate on what you feel is inadequate.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...g-process.html

I didnt declare it was inadequate, it was the previous admin who subjected that people traveling from these regions have an extra look. Also lets not forget it is a temporary ban while they review the vetting that is currently in place.