After ICE arrests, fear spreads among undocumented immigrants

[schwarzkopf]

IOr we could stop giving foreign aid.

Well, if you stopped giving bombs as foreign aid and focused on helping people in need ... you could not have to worry about any of the problems.

Whilst your first answer to any question is 'let them die' or 'we do not want them' ... then you aren't a real American.

[zenkai]

ok here's a fact for you

undocumented immigrants commit less violent crimes per capita than US citizens do

and contrary to the fantasies of our president, crime rates have been declining in this country for decades. there is no "crime epidemic"

the right does not deal in facts, that is a load of nonsense. you people deal in unfounded fear and hysteria

universal healthcare is proven to be cheaper and more effective than the capitalist model yet you people are terrified of it because you have an emotional response to the word socialism. the right is the side of emotions and fear not the side of facts and knowledge.

you people are so averse to facts that you have convinced yourselves that all of science and academia are engaged in some kind of grand conspiracy... it would be laughable if it weren't so damn pathetic how delusional and completely divorced from factual reality the right wing has become

Here's facts for you

100% of all illegal immigrants have committed a crime, it started when they entered the country illegall

Many of them have stolen SS numbers

There is a lot of illegal crime on crime but it doesn't get reported in fear of deportation

Almost every illegal immigrant that was raided was already convicted criminals of things like rape and murder and theft

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I wonder how many of these "it's about respect for the rule of law!!111" types would have different feelings about following every single law no matter what if legislation were passed restricting their right to own firearms... what a bunch of hypocrites!

We shouldn't punish murders with that kind of logic, sorry you can cry all you want but facts are facts and law is law. How about you go enter any other country illegally and tell me how it works out for you.

[Seranthor]

you have terrible reading comprehension

the point of my post is to call out the hypocrisy of those that claim to support the rule of law, but only when it is convenient to them personally

of course I suspect that you understood this and are merely playing stupid, so let me say it again for you: "because it's the law" is one of the worst arguments one could make. slavery was the law in the united states, and slavery was wrong. therefore laws are not infallible moral absolutes.

my comprehension is just fine.. you failed miserably to communicate your 'point'. So, the flailing about that you are doing is suggesting that any law we dont like we can just shit on and ignore, is that your testimony? If that is NOT in fact what you are suggesting, then where is the line on what laws we can ignore, and what laws we must follow?

[Ghostpanther]

you have terrible reading comprehension

the point of my post is to call out the hypocrisy of those that claim to support the rule of law, but only when it is convenient to them personally

of course I suspect that you understood this and are merely playing stupid, so let me say it again for you: "because it's the law" is one of the worst arguments one could make. slavery was the law in the united states, and slavery was wrong. therefore laws are not infallible moral absolutes.

Slavery was in direct contradiction to our Constitution. It had to be abolished. Deporting illegal immigrants is about having a country. And if they are committing felonies, then even more good reason to deport them. If anyone wants to migrate to another country, they must be willing to abide by the laws of that country. No matter if they approve of them or not. So comparing the two is being desperate to support your stance.

[TwoNineMarine]

They need to follow legal channels if they want citizenship. End of story.

This is pretty tough to understand it seems.

[zenkai]

you have terrible reading comprehension

the point of my post is to call out the hypocrisy of those that claim to support the rule of law, but only when it is convenient to them personally

of course I suspect that you understood this and are merely playing stupid, so let me say it again for you: "because it's the law" is one of the worst arguments one could make. slavery was the law in the united states, and slavery was wrong. therefore laws are not infallible moral absolutes.

This is a dumb fallible argument, we shouldn't follow any laws because you break the law all the time Jaywalking. I mean seriously can you not make a better argument than this? If anyone is failing at reading comprehension and logic, it's you my friend.

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This is pretty tough to understand it seems.

No joke, it's a open and shut case, even Democrat Presidents Clinton and Obama say that you need to enter the country legally.

[TwoNineMarine]

This is a dumb fallible argument, we shouldn't follow any laws because you break the law all the time Jaywalking. I mean seriously can you not make a better argument than this? If anyone is failing at reading comprehension and logic, it's you my friend.

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No joke, it's a open and shut case, even Democrat Presidents Clinton and Obama say that you need to enter the country legally.

Right? I honestly don't think that that's too much to ask.

Go about that shit legally and we will welcome you with open arms.

[Misdreavus]

If only we had a legal way to allow people from other countries to gain citizenship in the US

Clearly you do not understand how ridiculously horrible our immigration system is.

[rosebull]

Clearly you do not understand how ridiculously horrible our immigration system is.

Its even clearer you don't realize most other countries ( canada included ) have much MUCH more extreme immigration policies. But hey, it don't fit yo narrative right?

[Vago]

I guess the biggest glaring question I have is...why is it a problem to deport people all of the sudden? I never heard anything about this when Mr. Obama was in office, it wasn't a big deal yet he deported supposedly more illegals than any other president before his terms. But now, since it is a Republican (only guessing here) it is an issue? Why are people all of the sudden scared when they weren't before? Sounds more like liberal news trying to entice more fear mongering.

[Kathandira]

My stance on this is this. Currently, those who are not here legally may be working at whatever wage they can get. This may not be the going rate for the work being done, or even at or above the minimum wage.

If you deport every single undocumented immigrant, that would open up a ton of jobs!

However! Do you think some of these businesses are pleased to now have to pay someone upwards of double what they were paying in the past?

Lets go back to the minimum wage increase arguement for a second. How many of you claimed that this would hurt businesses as theywould be forced to paytwice in labor what they used to for the same work?

The same applies here. What will likely happen, is half those open positions won't get filled, andyou will have workersbeing paidhalf their fairwage, doing twice the workso the owners can maintain their profit margins.

Lets remember, you can't blame the person looking for a job and taking what they can get. But you absolutely can blame the employeer for breaking the law by hiring illegal immigrants, and paying them less than the federal minimum wage.

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While they are getting information on where to find the illegal immigrants, they should also be going after the business owners who employ them, and taki g away their businesses. They are breaking the law by hiring people illegally.

[AlphaOut]

My stance on this is this. Currently, those who are not here legally may be working at whatever wage they can get. This may not be the going rate for the work being done, or even at or above the minimum wage.

If you deport every single undocumented immigrant, that would open up a ton of jobs!

However! Do you think some of these businesses are pleased to now have to pay someone upwards of double what they were paying in the past?

Lets go back to the minimum wage increase arguement for a second. How many of you claimed that this would hurt businesses as theywould be forced to paytwice in labor what they used to for the same work?

The same applies here. What will likely happen, is half those open positions won't get filled, andyou will have workersbeing paidhalf their fairwage, doing twice the workso the owners can maintain their profit margins.

Lets remember, you can't blame the person looking for a job and taking what they can get. But you absolutely can blame the employeer for breaking the law by hiring illegal immigrants, and paying them less than the federal minimum wage.

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While they are getting information on where to find the illegal immigrants, they should also be going after the business owners who employ them, and taki g away their businesses. They are breaking the law by hiring people illegally.

If you base your business model off of underpaying employees, you deserve to go out of business.

[Kathandira]

If you base your business model off of underpaying employees, you deserve to go out of business.

I agree completely. But no one wants to talk about this. They want to attack the immigrants, but ignore the otherpart of the "stolen job" equation. They think if an immigrant wasn't in the position, they would get the job at fair market wages. But sadly, that isn't how it is going to work. There are no tax insentive programs for small business to hire people at fair wages. People will get bled dry for unfair wages at businesses who hired immigrants.

[zenkai]

Clearly you do not understand how ridiculously horrible our immigration system is.

Clearly the doesn't give excuse to break the law and enter illegally, broken or not.

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I guess the biggest glaring question I have is...why is it a problem to deport people all of the sudden? I never heard anything about this when Mr. Obama was in office, it wasn't a big deal yet he deported supposedly more illegals than any other president before his terms. But now, since it is a Republican (only guessing here) it is an issue? Why are people all of the sudden scared when they weren't before? Sounds more like liberal news trying to entice more fear mongering.

This is exactly what it is, this is what you call fake miss leading news.

[Kathandira]

Amusingly enough, ive worked at a few places who hire illegal immigrants. One such place was a car wash. I was the highest paid at $8 an hour. All I did was sit in a chair and punch tickets. The guys who were doing actual work got paid less than I did (under minimum wage). I was the one white person who worked there other than the owner. Everyone else was hispanic, and nota legal citizen. To this day, I have never seen another white person employed there.

The place should be shut down asthey are functioning illegally.

[the game]

Clearly you do not understand how ridiculously horrible our immigration system is.

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you get to ignore it.

[shoegazing]

Slavery was in direct contradiction to our Constitution. It had to be abolished

Which part of the constitution was in direct contradiction of? Maybe the part that says black people are 3/5 of a human being?z

The constitution is not infallible either.

[Allybeboba]

I mean it was pretty much illegal to be a Jew in Nazi germany...

And....
Godwin's Law...

[Molis]

you have terrible reading comprehension

the point of my post is to call out the hypocrisy of those that claim to support the rule of law, but only when it is convenient to them personally

of course I suspect that you understood this and are merely playing stupid, so let me say it again for you: "because it's the law" is one of the worst arguments one could make. slavery was the law in the united states, and slavery was wrong. therefore laws are not infallible moral absolutes.

You talk big on a MMO gaming forum.

Have you opened your house to illegal immigrants?
Fed and clothed their children?
Taken time to teach an English as a second language class?

Or are you just "I feel they need help so everyone should help them despite committing felonies"

[Tennis]

So if a hard working citizen didn't pay taxes it would be ok and they should be excused?

How is it their fault they didn't pay taxes? There needs to be a path to citizenship.