Riots erupting in immigrant-dominated Swedish suburb

[Narwal]

Some people assumed this would produce a major uptick in the rates of violent crime in Sweden. Historically, immigrants to Sweden do commit crimes at higher rates than the native-born, though children of immigrants commit crimes at basically the same rate as children of native-born Swedes (controlling for income).

http://www.vox.com/world/2017/2/20/1...mmigrant-crime

Sneaky little buggers. Accounting for income...

So, they concede that first generation immigrants do commit a higher % of crime. They then go on to try and confirm that crime is not higher if you look at the children of immigrants. However, they're being misleading. Basically what they're saying is if you look at it by % of those involved in crime, these immigrants are no different than the native. They're not telling you how many of these immigrants are poor. If by allowing in a bunch of poor people, you raise the percentage of poor in the country, you raise the amount of crime in the country. The only way you can have immigration/refugee incoming to the country without raising the crime rate, is to maintain a ration of poor immigrants to successful/non-poor.

[Concequence]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d236d350ff21

It happened days after Trump said his bullshit, and nothing was happening before that. He just made it up. This however was a small incident, that happened because a guy was arrested for Drug charges and a bunch of his friends came out and got very upset. Burned some cars, stole a camera from a Reporter, and did pretty much nothing else.

Of all the crime in Sweden for the past 4-5 years, less than 1% is from immigrants. ... This is another Fox news spin... trying to make incendiary statements about Immigrants to get a rise out of the right. So they can say "SEEE... SEEEE... TRUMP WAS RIGHT... SEEEE..." It's bullshit. No one was killed, it was NOT a terrorist event. They didnt kill a bunch of people in a suicide bomb... they didnt blow anyone up. They Burned some cars, in a extreme lapse of judgement over their arrested friend. (people do more than that when their football team loses)

The Right REALLY needs to stop blowing things out of proportion. You know the left is fighting so hard against you because you are being such douche bags about everything.

Can you not even TRY to find a middle ground that the left could possibly agree on with you? Why does it HAVE to go fully off the Right edge.

[Deleted]

The police and the locals are extremely frustrated and angry that the situation was allowed to escalate in the first place. I suspect the attention and outcry from the locals in particular will inspire some form of change. Our cops must stop feeling that they're bound by fear of being outed in the media as violent, racist cops.

It's restless, criminal youngsters that do this. It's the same people every time in the same places.
It's not about race it's about a bunch of twats that need to be taken apart from each other and taught to live like people. Or give these kids something else to do. Give them a purpose, a community center, something. Reach out to the community.

[Queen of Hamsters]

So these riots occurred because an officer attempted to arrest someone for a drug offense, and rather than use greater force when they were met with resistance, they yielded?

Pretty much, eye-witnesses tell of how they saw police officers just sitting in their cars whilst innocents were being assaulted. It was locals that were out trying to prevent the rioters from harming anyone/destroying things.

Our police force might be in a bad state, but why the hell wouldn't they respond with zero tolerance to this behaviour? If rioters act with force, nobody sane is going to put a racist or overly violent label on the cops if they act forcefully and prevent the riot from happening by jailing the offenders and scattering the crowds...

[Deleted]

It was 30 kids. Not much of a riot, not as you'd know them anyway. Sadly not the first time. It's most likely the same people and these same people keep doing it and inspiring others to follow.

The ways to deal with it are a multitude and none of them are easy. For one, we could've avoided putting all the disenfranchised people in one place, where we ignore them and pretend they don't exist. Integration doesn't happen in this area, because there's nothing to integrate with or into.
You can compare this to riots in the US in predominantly African-American or other minority areas. It's got little to do with them foreign and everything to do with social and economical status, ontop of the fact that they're ignored and disenfranchised.
Consider the fact that Stockholm is a wealthy city, with many international connections and a very progressive leadership, the way Rinkeby is handled is quite shameful.

So if it's because of "poverty" and such, why was poverty stricken sweden less troublesome than today?

[AeneasBK]

Except NOBODY is pointing fingers at Sweden. The point is to try and not have the problems you have had with immigration. We are not saying you are bad people, or stupid, or anythign of the sort. We are saying you are a good example of the difficulties that arise from mass immigration and slow assimilation.

I dunno man, *you* might not be saying that; but take a look around these forums Its only moderately recently (afterall, Sweden immigration threads have been a stock trope of OT forums here since before you or I joined) that the tone has turned to placing blame (and by extension calling them bad/stupid/anything of that sort) on the politicians rather than the natives

[Jademist]

Here's a different story: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ockholm-suburb
This one is from the AP, arguably a very reputable journalist group: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...02-21-04-33-36

It's funny how FOX News, compared to other news sources, like Bloomberg OR the AP present the news differently. FOX News highlights Trump's statements AND the fact that the neighborhood is composed predominantly of immigrants. But Bloomberg, or the more reputable AP, focus on how the riots started after the arrest of a drug suspect. But, y'know, whatever fits your narrative I guess in these, the days of alternative facts.



Here is something on factcheck: http://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/tru...swedish-crime/

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http://www.thelocal.se/20170221/swed...-rinkeby-riots

Isn't it impressivethat Fox says it's a police officer who got hit by rocks instead of a Photographer?

[Deleted]

Pretty much, eye-witnesses tell of how they saw police officers just sitting in their cars whilst innocents were being assaulted. It was locals that were out trying to prevent the rioters from harming anyone/destroying things.

Our police force might be in a bad state, but why the hell wouldn't they respond with zero tolerance to this behaviour? If rioters act with force, nobody sane is going to put a racist or overly violent label on the cops if they act forcefully and prevent the riot from happening by jailing the offenders and scattering the crowds...

And get another husby.

[Deleted]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d236d350ff21

It happened days after Trump said his bullshit, and nothing was happening before that. He just made it up. This however was a small incident, that happened because a guy was arrested for Drug charges and a bunch of his friends came out and got very upset. Burned some cars, stole a camera from a Reporter, and did pretty much nothing else.

Of all the crime in Sweden for the past 4-5 years, less than 1% is from immigrants. ... This is another Fox news spin... trying to make incendiary statements about Immigrants to get a rise out of the right. So they can say "SEEE... SEEEE... TRUMP WAS RIGHT... SEEEE..." It's bullshit. No one was killed, it was NOT a terrorist event. They didnt kill a bunch of people in a suicide bomb... they didnt blow anyone up. They Burned some cars, in a extreme lapse of judgement over their arrested friend. (people do more than that when their football team loses)

The Right REALLY needs to stop blowing things out of proportion. You know the left is fighting so hard against you because you are being such douche bags about everything.

Can you not even TRY to find a middle ground that the left could possibly agree on with you? Why does it HAVE to go fully off the Right edge.

Yeah we've had 1 terrorist a few years ago and he blew himself up on an empty street at night. Even our terrorists suck.

[Queen of Hamsters]

It's restless, criminal youngsters that do this. It's the same people every time in the same places.
It's not about race it's about a bunch of twats that need to be taken apart from each other and taught to live like people. Or give these kids something else to do. Give them a purpose, a community center, something. Reach out to the community.

All those things are being done, the problem is that it must also come along with inciting respect for the police in both ways. Yes, the cops are there to help you, but if you cause trouble, they'll treat you as a hostile.

[Deleted]

Here's a different story: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ockholm-suburb
This one is from the AP, arguably a very reputable journalist group: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...02-21-04-33-36

It's funny how FOX News and other news sources, like Bloomberg OR the AP present the news differently. FOX News highlights Trump's statements AND the fact that the neighborhood is composed predominantly of immigrants. But Bloomberg, or the more reputable AP, focus on how the riots started after the arrest of a drug suspect. But, y'know, whatever fits your narrative I guess in these, the days of alternative facts.



Here is something on factcheck: http://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/tru...swedish-crime/

Fact check and then cite jerzy? No credibility. The guy thinks women are responsible for increase in sexual crimes because they are not staying home like in the past instead of pinning it on criminals.

[ParanoiD84]

Isn't it impressivethat Fox says it's a police officer who got hit by rocks instead of a Photographer?

A cop was hit by rocks and a journalist got beaten up. I can see how they mix stuff up from outside of sweden.

[Deleted]

All none Europeans should fuck off from Sweden. I don't want them here, only been a plague upon this country.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Except NOBODY is pointing fingers at Sweden. The point is to try and not have the problems you have had with immigration. We are not saying you are bad people, or stupid, or anythign of the sort. We are saying you are a good example of the difficulties that arise from mass immigration and slow assimilation.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

... wait, you are being serious? These forums are crammed with people doing just that, selling hyperbole and acting as if Sweden is a fallen state because its natives are "inviting genocide on the white race"...

[Narwal]

Pretty much, eye-witnesses tell of how they saw police officers just sitting in their cars whilst innocents were being assaulted. It was locals that were out trying to prevent the rioters from harming anyone/destroying things.

Our police force might be in a bad state, but why the hell wouldn't they respond with zero tolerance to this behaviour? If rioters act with force, nobody sane is going to put a racist or overly violent label on the cops if they act forcefully and prevent the riot from happening by jailing the offenders and scattering the crowds...

Nobody? The US media did it to our police in many situations. Police were labeled as a military force, inflaming tensions by showing up to protect private property in riot gear. Those darn police should make an attempt to look like they're there as a father who has an understanding for their frustration, that their reasons for rioting are just and that we all deserve it for what we've done against those rioting.

[Fat Mac]

If you stick to the facts, you'll recognize that the US has much larger issues with crime than Sweden:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...al-than-Sweden

All this fingerpointing by Americans at Sweden is ridiculous. Try to get your own crime rates down to the low levels of Sweden before you try to fearmonger.

10 mill people vs 300 million.. and i think the issue people have is who is doing the violence and the mass raping

[Queen of Hamsters]

Nobody? The US media did it to our police in many situations. Police were labeled as a military force, inflaming tensions by showing up to protect private property in riot gear. Those darn police should make an attempt to look like they're there as a father who has an understanding for their frustration, that their reasons for rioting are just and that we all deserve it for what we've done against those rioting.

US media =/= Swedish Media. You have Fox News.
I did say "nobody sane" however, there will always be those trying to stir things without a second thought to the consequences.

[Tijuana]

Because the entire narrative of immigrants and crime is driven by a feels-before-reals mentality that casts a quantification of reality aside in favor of whatever seems the scariest.

Show me the numbers that disprove the notion. Are you implying that the refugees have just fit right in, across Europe, and there have been no problems? Do you only visit this planet on occasion?

[Deleted]

All those things are being done, the problem is that it must also come along with inciting respect for the police in both ways. Yes, the cops are there to help you, but if you cause trouble, they'll treat you as a hostile.

Well, there's also just simply bad kids with bad friends who will not change. This is a place where criminals and gangs find their recruits and they wanna keep their recruiting grounds.