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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Dkwhyevernot View Post
    Its been going on for years. If there's one thing the us has been consistent on over the years is overthrowing democratically electex regimes, while propping up dictators.

    Its one of the reasons so many diverse place around the world dislike the us.
    Everything the US did from 1945 to 1989 was done in response to the Soviet Union. Did we want nations to go communist? No. The middle class, the rich and the religious of those nations would come to the US and ask for help in preventing their country from going communist, of course we'd help.

    We stopped intervening decades ago and that's why Venezuela is how it is today, it had the freedom to fail.
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    "This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."

    -- Capt. Copeland

  2. #162
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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ivonaiac.../#486d782d58d4

    "A Bolivarian Republic, Venezuela turned to socialism in 1998 when Hugo Chavez was elected president after two unsuccessful coup attempts to oust his predecessor. The new regime brought not only a new constitution, but higher oil prices as well. The following year Chavez passed laws redistributing land and wealth, which he followed in 2005 with a land reform decree that would eliminate larger estates to the benefit of the poor in rural areas.

    In 2007 the government took control of important oil projects in the Orinoco Delta and later expropriated two U.S. oil companies, furthering Chavez’s nationalization plans.

    Nationalization continued with the Bank of Venezuela and household fuels distributors and petrol stations. In 2011, with a 27% annual inflation rate, the Venezuelan government introduced price controls of some basic goods (they would extend to other products in the following years).

    By the time of Chavez’s death in 2013, inflation had grown to 50% and rose to 63.4% in the following year. Towards the end of 2014, the country entered into a recession.

    Present-day Venezuela is facing a humanitarian crisis and Nicolas Maduro, Chavez’s hand-picked successor, and his socialist regime is rightly shouldering the blame. The country’s emphasis on oil exports, price controls and a heavily-controlled economy are all features found in other current and former socialist countries–features that have contributed to the demise of whole economies, or brought them close to it."

  3. #163
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Everything the US did from 1945 to 1989 was done in response to the Soviet Union. Did we want nations to go communist? No. The middle class, the rich and the religious of those nations would come to the US and ask for help in preventing their country from going communist, of course we'd help.

    We stopped intervening decades ago and that's why Venezuela is how it is today, it had the freedom to fail.
    How very nice of you. I guess you're niw reaping what you sow.

  4. #164
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarim View Post
    The country’s emphasis on oil exports, price controls and a heavily-controlled economy are all features found in other current and former socialist countries–features that have contributed to the demise of whole economies, or brought them close to it.
    What was the definition of insanity again? Attempting the same thing again and again and expecting different results?

    Marxists never learn, it seems.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Tradewind View Post
    Is civics not taught in schools any more?
    School uses Civics! It's not very effective...

    How anyone with so much oil can fuck up so badly is beyond me. Must be one of the worst managed countries ever.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by AlarStormbringer View Post
    It is the state's incentive to improve for the benefit of the people. If they were truly socialist, then they would've understood that and made sure not to fuck over their people. Socialist doesn't just mean, "Oh, we give stuff away, woo!", it means that they care enough about the citizenry to make sure they'll be able to live long, satisfactory lives as best the government can help provide it.

    That means actually using your brain considering cost of living and future challenges, even before all of this, wouldn't have been cheap when tallying up an entire nation of people.
    Being socialist does not suddenly stop you from acting rationally like normal humans would.

  7. #167
    I live in the US and I only eat once a day. Intermittent Fasting 4tw.
    The Fresh Prince of Baudelaire

    Banned at least 10 times. Don't give a fuck, going to keep saying what I want how I want to.

    Eat meat. Drink water. Do cardio and burpees. The good life.

  8. #168
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amarao View Post
    lol

    The reason for all socialist countries failing is because they didn't implement "true socialism".
    Did Chairman Mao also fail to implement true socialism?
    What about the Russians, did they also not have true socialism?

    Time to put away the ideology and look at reality.
    Socialism is considered to be an economic system in which the means of production are controlled directly by the workers. The Soviet State and China would be better described by the term state capitalist as both made significant efforts to end worker control of industry to monopolise said industries by the Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gahmuret View Post
    Or any other diseases of affluence that pester the capitalistic countries.

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    For some reason socialism tends to pretty exclusively attract idiots.
    That last bit is slightly ridiculous considering the shape of the USgovernment at the moment.

  9. #169
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSnow View Post
    Being socialist does not suddenly stop you from acting rationally like normal humans would.
    Thing is, people who lack the ability to act rationally like normal humans tend to be driven towards socialism. Whereas people who do act rationally like normal humans rarely fall for socialism, realizing that all its promises are full of nothing.

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