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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    There is literally no Russian connection in anything you mention. Did Russians asked Flynn to be silent about it, but tell Trump? Did they ask Trump to be silent about it? Did they ask Flynn to lie to Pence about it?

    That you make "Russian connection" from anyone talking to Russians is ridiculous.

    You're having "Russian connection" with me RIGHT NOW. Clearly you're part of deep Russian conspiracy :P

    And nothing will come out of it in the end.
    This is taking mental gymnastics to olympic levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    There is literally no Russian connection in anything you mention. Did Russians asked Flynn to be silent about it, but tell Trump? Did they ask Trump to be silent about it? Did they ask Flynn to lie to Pence about it?

    That you make "Russian connection" from anyone talking to Russians is ridiculous.

    You're having "Russian connection" with me RIGHT NOW. Clearly you're part of deep Russian conspiracy :P

    And nothing will come out of it in the end.
    Like Cubby said, if you don't think there is any Russian connection that really is mental fucking gymnastics. But what do you expect from a Russian Putin apologist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Like Cubby said, if you don't think there is any Russian connection that really is mental fucking gymnastics. But what do you expect from a Russian Putin apologist.
    No proven connections so far. Nothing that can get Trump impeached, or any of his staff removed against his will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    No proven connections so far. Nothing that can get Trump impeached, or any of his staff removed against his will.
    Then why did Flynn resign? You think it was the fucking lying to Pence? It wouldn't have been a big deal then, if he didn't lie right? I mean the FBI even fucking said that Russia could blackmail him. Sorry, to the people living in the REAL WORLD, not the one that Trump wants us to live in, there is a connection, and there will be investigations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Then why did Flynn resign? You think it was the fucking lying to Pence? It wouldn't have been a big deal then, if he didn't lie right? I mean the FBI even fucking said that Russia could blackmail him. Sorry, to the people living in the REAL WORLD, not the one that Trump wants us to live in, there is a connection, and there will be investigations.
    Damn, you guys are almost as bad as republicans when it comes to facts.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.5d79122ed671

    http://nypost.com/2017/01/24/fbi-cle...him-to-russia/

    (let me know if these are fake news to you and I'll post other sources)

    The FBI found nothing on Flynn, so yes, we absolutely believe he was forced to resign. We all know Trump will fire someone for wearing the wrong shoes to a meeting.

    Look, I get it, its the democrats turn to act like dip shits for the next 8 years, I get it, that whole what goes around thing. . . .. but Jesus Christ, have some fucking dignity, you're Democrats for fucks sake.

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    I wonder what yall are gonna do when Sessions opens investigations against Obama and Hillary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    He was freaking fired for that by Obama... ofc everyone noticed.

    His lies were just previously expedient to his rise in ranks - he told what people wanted to hear, and got promoted until he reached level where he couldn't get any higher, well past his actual competency.
    Was he? Was he really?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.f0d894b4da26
    http://breakingdefense.com/2014/08/f...ith-a-warning/
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...general-214362
    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ce900...esigns-another
    http://www.angrypatriotmovement.com/...red-gen-flynn/

    I'm going back and looking for anything related to his 2014 firing, and you know, I don't see anything about it being due to lying. I'm seeing claims that it was due to insubordination and a disruptive attitude, and I'm seeing claims that is was because he was just too firmly against Islam to mesh with Obama's policies. I don't see a single thing, then or now, about lies. I dunno, maybe my google-fu is weak, but if you've got a source for your claim, I'd like to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    Damn, you guys are almost as bad as republicans when it comes to facts.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.5d79122ed671

    http://nypost.com/2017/01/24/fbi-cle...him-to-russia/

    (let me know if these are fake news to you and I'll post other sources)

    The FBI found nothing on Flynn, so yes, we absolutely believe he was forced to resign. We all know Trump will fire someone for wearing the wrong shoes to a meeting.

    Look, I get it, its the democrats turn to act like dip shits for the next 8 years, I get it, that whole what goes around thing. . . .. but Jesus Christ, have some fucking dignity, you're Democrats for fucks sake.
    Then why did he lie and risk felony charges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaserSharkDFB View Post

    Then why did he lie and risk felony charges?
    Let me know when felony charges are filed. . . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    Let me know when felony charges are filed. . . . .
    Let me know when you think of an answer to my question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    Well... we can say one thing... he definitely is the President of his supporters. The same crap counter arguments and (horrendously bad) "gotchas" and whataboutism.

    For the President of the United States... the leader of the free world... to do this though? Wow. The man who occupies the seat of Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy and Reagan is now a garden variety terrible forum troll.

    Nice President you got there deplorables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaserSharkDFB View Post
    Let me know when you think of an answer to my question.
    I don't give a shit about your question. . . . . . but you can ask again if it will make you feel better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    The FBI found nothing on Flynn, so yes, we absolutely believe he was forced to resign. We all know Trump will fire someone for wearing the wrong shoes to a meeting.
    So your defense is, that while Flynn happened to call Russia without permission, and then happened to lie about it to everyone except Trump, and Trump routinely before, and after, talked about what a good guy Flynn was and how much support he gave Flynn, Trump fired Flynn anyway because he's chaotic and erratic.

    Okay.

    That's possibly the limpest-dick defense of Trump's administration I've ever seen. You're claiming it's a YUGE coincidence and that Trump is insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    For the President of the United States... the leader of the free world... to do this though? Wow. The man who occupies the seat of Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy and Reagan is now a garden variety terrible forum troll.

    Nice President you got there deplorables.
    It's a free world, deal with it.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    I don't give a shit about your question. . . . . . but you can ask again if it will make you feel better.
    Then if you don't want to engage in an honest discussion, don't respond to my posts. Not really interested in people who post just to antagonize me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexilius View Post
    I wonder what yall are gonna do when Sessions opens investigations against Obama and Hillary.
    I can tell you my reaction would be "meh" to "go ahead, have fun with that".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    If you would check my post history i'm fairly certain my first mention of Flynn was him being known liar and linking wiki on that.

    When i first heard about him from one Russian blogger he described him as "someone who tries to fit facts to conclusions"...

    So, he certainly looked like someone who can talk the talk but not walk the walk.

    I guess better figures were just too afraid to take a plunge into Trump team initially. Many still do; but some don't.
    Even ignoring that you are defending a choice Trump made during the campaign, by saying there were no better option, including the person he replaced. You are actually admitting that Trump's cabinet is incompetent, just not because of Russian ties?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    So your defense is, that while Flynn happened to call Russia without permission, and then happened to lie about it to everyone except Trump, and Trump routinely before, and after, talked about what a good guy Flynn was and how much support he gave Flynn, Trump fired Flynn anyway because he's chaotic and erratic.

    Okay.

    That's possibly the limpest-dick defense of Trump's administration I've ever seen. You're claiming it's a YUGE coincidence and that Trump is insane.
    I like how the people defending Trump and his team are doing so by accusing them of mental disabilities. Wait, no, not 'like'. More... 'am rather depressed with'.

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    tfw your president is shitposting on twitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    So your defense is, that while Flynn happened to call Russia without permission, and then happened to lie about it to everyone except Trump, and Trump routinely before, and after, talked about what a good guy Flynn was and how much support he gave Flynn, Trump fired Flynn anyway because he's chaotic and erratic.

    Okay.

    That's possibly the limpest-dick defense of Trump's administration I've ever seen. You're claiming it's a YUGE coincidence and that Trump is insane.
    I'm not saying that. . . the FBI is saying that. Is the FBI fake news to you?

    I couldn't care less about the reasons surrounding his "resignation". Everyone in Trumps cabinet can resign tomorrow and I wont care because I didn't vote for the dip shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    Let me know when felony charges are filed. . . . .
    Probably won't be. But we already got our pound of flesh.
    All the below are PRE-Recusal.
    I wrote this on page 5 after saying he needs to resign.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Agreed. He won't (resign). But it is basically impossible for the Senate Investigation to not be a Special Committee now, and for there to be a special prosecutor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    The GOP base is rather cold to the whole Russia thing. We shouldn't make a mistake about that. At CPAC, the lines about "finding new friends with common interests", which is the Trump Administration's code word for "Russia" was met with a rather icy reception at best.

    It's these non-conservative Trumpkins who lack patriotism to put country before politics, that are the Russia-excusers because they like Trump.

    The word on Sessions is quickly spreading. If Republicans don't support an independent investigation and a special prosecutor, it's going to be political suicide for them. Americans as a whole are hostile to Russia and that won't change anytime soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    I won't make a prediction as to his resignation. Don't get me wrong. He SHOULD. It would be consistent with Flynn. And if we have any respect for the law, he should be prosecuted for perjury as well.

    But will he? A big part of me doubts it. Sessions has the job he always wanted. The racist Alabamian at the head of the Federal Department most responsible for fighting electoral and institutional racism in the south over the last 40 years. He will only if he becomes a monumental headache for Trump.

    We'll see what Republicans say Thursday and Friday. This is just the beginning. But by demanding a resignation early, it sets the political stage for a compromise of recusal of Session on Russia and a special prosecutor.

    Basically Jeff Sessions just handed everybody who wants to get to the bottom of the Trump Administration's ties to Vladmir Putin and Russia, all the leverage and ammunition they could dream of up to this point.

    We already got something big. It takes a strategy to beat a strategy. =)

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