Arthas redemption path in Argus?

[Valynor]

As you may know already we are going to Argus... in some near point of the Xpac, HQ of the legion, and where supposedly the army of light is fighting against the burning legion..

So.. Turaylon sends a message about the status of the fight and they need our help, but what if the message also went into another AUs, the AU Draenor for example, where we defeated the legion, stopped the orc invasion to AU Azeroth, with that in mind and that Nerzhul never became LK, that AU Arthas got his full training becoming a Paladin fighting the demons and the scourge, never corrupted following only light, stronger than tirion or Uther, so this AU azeroth answer to the call of fighting the legion in Argus, as well as the Draenei and Orcs from AU Draenor?

Yeah sounds crazy, but.. with the New LK plotting and making weird things in Northrend.., this would be badass and see the full potential for an Older and Wiser Paladin arthas, along Muradin and Uther as a Team.

Just an opinion, or theory but hey WoD happened! xD

[Kralljin]

Alternate Universe shit fucked up lore enough already.

[Eon Drache]

AU Draenor is no longer connected to AU Azeroth so we cannot go to AU Azeroth without the help of a bronze dragon like what Garrosh did. Our Azeroth is also the only one in any reality with a World Soul. So a lot of things would be different on that AU Azeroth. That Azeroth may have never been changed by the titans, or had the Old Gods infliction. If so there may not even be Paladins. Humans are only a thing on Azeroth because Vrykul were afflicted with the Curse of Flesh. Of course it is Blizzard's game and they will decide if they ever use it or what exists there but atm that is what we can assume.

[Goundin]

Didn't Blizzard state there is no AU Azeroth?

[Aucald]

Didn't Blizzard state there is no AU Azeroth?

Quite the opposite, Blizzard stated there was an AU version of Azeroth to match the AU Draenor, but that we weren't likely to see or explore it in any real way.

I still get the same question over and over again -- is there an alternate Azeroth to go with the alternate Draenor?
Yes!

Are we going to see it?
I would never say never, but it's not planned right now. (Source)

[Qualia]

Our Azeroth is also the only one in any reality with a World Soul.

That likely isn't the case. While there has been no statement indicated that our Azeroth is (or isn't) the only one in all realities with a World Soul, there are plenty of evidences suggesting that there are many other Azeroths with a World Soul as well.

[Golden Yak]

No need to go to an alternate reality for Arthas, just retrieve his soul from the Void.

Hell, I'm half expecting the Void itself to resurrect Arthas as their agent to match Illidan when he goes all Light-happy. Another reason I'd want Jaina as the Avatar of Azeroth, so she can fight Void-Arthas and get double-ultra-closure.

[Eon Drache]

That likely isn't the case. While there has been no statement indicated that our Azeroth is (or isn't) the only one in all realities with a World Soul, there are plenty of evidences suggesting that there are many other Azeroths with a World Soul as well.

Pretty sure Blizzard came out and confirmed that at the very least our Azeroth is the only one with a well of eternity. The burning legion knows about alternative Draenor, so they know about alternative Azeroth. If they know about it but don't bother it then that would assume it either doesn't exist anymore or doesn't have a world soul. I can't find the post atm but I'll look later. Even so the rest remains true.

[Qualia]

Pretty sure Blizzard came out and confirmed that at the very least our Azeroth is the only one with a well of eternity. The burning legion knows about alternative Draenor, so they know about alternative Azeroth. If they know about it but don't bother it then that would assume it either doesn't exist anymore or doesn't have a world soul. I can't find the post atm but I'll look later. Even so the rest remains true.

Pretty sure Blizzard has never done that - feel free to give me the quote and source if I somehow missed it (don't remember they did, and a quick Google search gave no result). On the other hand, there are evidences implying that there are other Azeroth with a World Soul.

The original Well of Eternity exist because Azeroth was "wounded" when Aman'thul ripped Y'Shaarj from Azeroth. The Well was pretty much the Azeroth's lifeblood, bled from the scar left behind when Y'Shaarj was torn from the world's crust. Later on, the Well's energy transformed the Night Elves into Night Elves from Dark Troll. The Aspects, and the Dragonflight was transformed from Proto-drake by the Pantheon channeling their powers through the Keepers. We all know about these fact. It should be safe to say that the existence of the Well of Eternity, or the Elves, or the Dragon as we know them can at least implying / hinting that Azeroth has a world soul (I wouldn't say that it's the conclusive proof, but those are that's the only case as far as we know). It had been shown at least a few times that there are AUs with those.

Firstly, in regards to the Legion: they actually did (and probably still do) bother with assaulting / invading alternate Azeroths. In "Illidan", when Vandel received his first vision of the multiverse ("This time he saw not just one universe but a near infinity of them, a complex fractal structure, where new worlds were born each minute from the decisions made a heartbeat before"), he noticed that "In every one of them, the Legion marched triumphant, leaving futures stillborn and presents empty of all life. He saw countless Azeroths, countless Vandels, and countless Khariels, and to every one of them came death". As it said, Vandel saw countless Azeroth being attacked with countless Vandels & Khariels as he knew it (that doesn't mean all those Azeroth were conquered, though). That means not only the Legion did assault alternate Azeroths, those AU Azeroths have Night Elves as well (since there are NEs, there likely was WoE, and a World Soul). It makes sense - the Legion can only put a fragment of their army on Azeroth (due to the restriction of needing portals / summons), it'd be stupid for them to have the rest of their army sit around doing nothing.
Secondly, in War Crimes, Kairoz summoned a number of alternate selves of Azeroth's leaders from their respective alternate universes. Among them, there were Kalecgos as a Dragon (which means the Pantheon in that AU did interact with that AU Azeroth) who knew and experienced Aveena's death (which means there were a Sunwell - and thus, likely a WoE as the Sunwell was created by a Vial of the Well's water). There was Jaina, so human exists there as well. I believe there were mentions of elves among those alternate versions, but I can't quite remember now.

Anyway, based on those, there are alternate Azeroths (countless, even) being invaded by the Legion, has Night Elves, Dragons, and WoE. I'd say that's a good indication that ours isn't the only Azeroth with a World Soul.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Despite it sounding as bad as wod, AU arthas's actions don't magically make everyone love MU arthas

[TheCount]

No need to go to an alternate reality for Arthas, just retrieve his soul from the Void.

Hell, I'm half expecting the Void itself to resurrect Arthas as their agent to match Illidan when he goes all Light-happy. Another reason I'd want Jaina as the Avatar of Azeroth, so she can fight Void-Arthas and get double-ultra-closure.

At first I was really against the idea of Arthas coming back in anyway. Thinking about it again, it would be awesome to have Arthas vs Illidan again, I loved watching their fight at the end of WC3.

[MikeBogina]

Pretty sure Blizzard came out and confirmed that at the very least our Azeroth is the only one with a well of eternity. The burning legion knows about alternative Draenor, so they know about alternative Azeroth. If they know about it but don't bother it then that would assume it either doesn't exist anymore or doesn't have a world soul. I can't find the post atm but I'll look later. Even so the rest remains true.

It's really really simple.

is there other azeroths? Yes. Do those other Azeroths have Azerothians? Yes, in fact they have dopplegangers of existing ones.... guess what they means?? That means that the Titans came, beat the Old Gods, left their races and then YoggSaron hit them with the Curse of Flesh. Which means there's a World Soul.

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Despite it sounding as bad as wod, AU arthas's actions don't magically make everyone love MU arthas

Because we already do love MU Arthas

[Shelly]

As you may know already we are going to Argus... in some near point of the Xpac, HQ of the legion, and where supposedly the army of light is fighting against the burning legion..

So.. Turaylon sends a message about the status of the fight and they need our help, but what if the message also went into another AUs, the AU Draenor for example, where we defeated the legion, stopped the orc invasion to AU Azeroth, with that in mind and that Nerzhul never became LK, that AU Arthas got his full training becoming a Paladin fighting the demons and the scourge, never corrupted following only light, stronger than tirion or Uther, so this AU azeroth answer to the call of fighting the legion in Argus, as well as the Draenei and Orcs from AU Draenor?

Yeah sounds crazy, but.. with the New LK plotting and making weird things in Northrend.., this would be badass and see the full potential for an Older and Wiser Paladin arthas, along Muradin and Uther as a Team.

Just an opinion, or theory but hey WoD happened! xD

Small point of order here.

While they may have made the Hand of Tyr or whatever to shoehorn in the holy paladin artifact weapon paladins as an order didn't exist until WC2.

No orcish invasion, no paladins, so no Prince Arthas disciple of Uther.

[MikeBogina]

No need to go to an alternate reality for Arthas, just retrieve his soul from the Void.

Hell, I'm half expecting the Void itself to resurrect Arthas as their agent to match Illidan when he goes all Light-happy. Another reason I'd want Jaina as the Avatar of Azeroth, so she can fight Void-Arthas and get double-ultra-closure.

I've felt like Arthas was supposed to get the redemption story for a very long time now, but it was switched to Illidan because of his popularity. We didn't get barely any Illidan in BC, we got a lot of Arthas in WotLK and at the end of it, during blizzcon, Metzen discovered the fans wanted Illidan back.

Fighting a bunch of just random Old Gods and faceless creatures for an entire expansion would be boring, just like fighting only demons during Legion(which is why we have Xavius, Gul'dan, etc...) I think it would make a lot of sense for the Void forces to be led by powered up people we already know. People who would have been touched at one point by the void before their death and cast away by us. So I wont be surprised if Arthas and Garrosh are both brought back, maybe apart of a 4 horsemen void edition. Maybe throw in Ner'zhul and someone more alliance-y as the 4th.

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Small point of order here.

While they may have made the Hand of Tyr or whatever to shoehorn in the holy paladin artifact weapon paladins as an order didn't exist until WC2.

No orcish invasion, no paladins, so no Prince Arthas disciple of Uther.

they would have had to deal with other threats eventually. And the demon invasion would have happened with or without the Horde, since Sargeras was already on Azeroth before the Horde was ever thought of by KJ. Any other threat could have prompted the order and it didn't seem like Uther was some noob, like the paladins were already being made before the invasion happened.

[Lumineus]

On AU Azeroth, the Silver Hand could have been formed to deal with some other existential threat, like say an evil Alliance forged by Blackmoore, Darkhan, Thaurissan,and Thermaplugg. Surprisingly, not everything has to revolve around the Horde.

[Shelly]

they would have had to deal with other threats eventually. And the demon invasion would have happened with or without the Horde, since Sargeras was already on Azeroth before the Horde was ever thought of by KJ. Any other threat could have prompted the order and it didn't seem like Uther was some noob, like the paladins were already being made before the invasion happened.

Paladins were nobles and nights given training in priestly magics as a direct result of the losses of the first war and needing something to fight the warlocks of the horde. That's the catalyst, the knights of Tyr just sat by their lake above the crypt and didn't do jack shit. Without that training Uther and Tirion are just soldiers and nobles and that's about it, probably the most exciting thing either would do is assist in putting down a troll uprising by the Amani.

[HeiAggra]

Arthas does not need anything leave him be. We know he was the one that hold the grip on the scourge or they would be go nuts on the world. So he did a good job being bad to be good at the end.

[Captain Douchebag]

Stop trying to bring Arthas back already. He was an asshole before picking up Frostmourne and he was an asshole after doing it.

As much as I dislike the new direction they're going with Illidan, bringing him back made way more sense than bringing Arthas back, because TBC was just a mess story wise. Arthas actually got a fitting end unlike Illidan did.

The hard-on some people have for this guy is ridiculous.

Also, AU Draenor and anything that deals with alternate timelines for that matter, are best left forgotten.

[MikeBogina]

Paladins were nobles and nights given training in priestly magics as a direct result of the losses of the first war and needing something to fight the warlocks of the horde. That's the catalyst, the knights of Tyr just sat by their lake above the crypt and didn't do jack shit. Without that training Uther and Tirion are just soldiers and nobles and that's about it, probably the most exciting thing either would do is assist in putting down a troll uprising by the Amani.

Lordaeron had no losses in the first war and had no clue of the Horde, until Lothar came to Lordaeron with the survivors. The Paladins were first utilized to face the warlocks, but they were already being trained.

Troll uprisings, war with the dragons and ragnaros in Black Rock Mountain, the War with with C'thun, the war with Yogg'Saron, the Cataclysm, Pandaria campaign against Mogu, trolls, mantid. And before all that, Sargeras in Medihv's body summoning Archimonde at Karazhan.

Any of these events could have pushed for the Paladins to be the forefront of the Alliances forces, but even without it, Arthas would still be trained by Muradin.

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Stop trying to bring Arthas back already. He was an asshole before picking up Frostmourne and he was an asshole after doing it. There's nothing to "redeem", because he was always somewhat of an arrogant selfish little shit.

The hard-on some people have for this guy is ridiculous.

I'm guessing you haven't read the Arthas book.

Also, AU Draenor and anything that deals with alternate timelines for that matter, are best left forgotten.

Legion is all because of Gul'dan, Gul'dan is from AU... can't ignore it, or else you ignore Legion.

[Aeula]

It wouldn't be redemption because AU Arthas would never have been evil.

Also AU stuff is terrible for the lore.