Brexit - Art 50 on Mar 29th

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Kind of defeats the purpose of the EU at that point, it would go from near parity with the US to having roughly half the GDP of the US

LOL no, Eastern Europe adds NOTHING to the EU's GDP. On the contrary, it subtracts from it.

[Slant]

Don't underestimate the hurt FeeFee's of Eurocrats and the true believers in The Project.

Ridicule them as you like, but it's us who sent the American Secretary for Foreign Affairs back to do his homework when he tried to circumvent the EU. Just because you may not care about the EU doesn't mean you can just ignore it and do what you please. Proper procedure still counts for something in Europe.

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LOL no, Eastern Europe adds NOTHING to the EU's GDP. On the contrary, it subtracts from it.

Yes. Now. What about 20-30 years? Do you think they'll live on their low GDP forever? Okay then... we're still fixing 70 years of communism in some areas. Once that's over and done with, people will see Europe for the powerhouse that it truly can be. See, Europe doesn't depend on resources alone anymore. Hasn't for the longest time. The only resource Europe needs at this stage is people. Guess what the most densely packed region on the planet is? Right...

[Adolecent]

While we may end up paying for some things after we leave (joint scientific projects, foreign nationals in the EU etc...) I doubt very much we'll be 'stiffed' by the EU after the negotiations end it just isn't in anyone's interest.

The Brexit secretary has already said we'll pay whatever is due as we are a country that follows the rule of law and accept our nation's responsibilities, he doesn't think we'll be punished either. He stated all this in the parliamentary committee meetings he has to report progress to.

Nobody is talking in the EU about "punishing", but about fairness to all other countries around the EU. The UK won't get a special deal, they will be presented with either a same construction like Norway or Switserland has (which costs money) or a 100% non-affiliated situation with all pro's and con's. When the EU make's a "special arrangement" we'll get all other countries outside the EU knocking on our door for the same benefits, which will end the existence of the EU.

The UK choose to leave the EU, it is the UK's responsibility to deal with that.

[Vankrys]

i am no specialist so don't eat me alive, but, businesswise this does not seem a good move.

Yes, the UK will be able to make their own laws and regulations regarding business and imported goods. However, in order to export their goods to the EU, the UK manufacturers will still have to abide by EU regulations.

Like i say i'm no specialist, but if the EU forbid the use of a particular steel, or paint, or plastic in cars, electronics, toys, anything really, UK manufacturers have to follow the EU directives to export their goods to EU, regardless of what new UK regulations are.

They could have a UK production line and a EU production line but that does not make much business sense in general to segregate your production (well maybe for cars, since the wheel is either on right or left of the car)

The only difference will be that with the UK out, it won't have any say on future EU regulations, will not be able to debate and vote on future European laws and regulations.

I know, there is more than business to factor when considering leaving or remaining on the EU, but for the business part, it seems like a bad deal, UK will still have to obey EU laws, if it wish to export its goods.

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The only difference will be that with the UK out, it won't have any say on future EU regulations, will not be able to debate and vote on future European laws and regulations.

I know, there is more than business to factor when considering leaving or remaining on the EU, but for the business part, it seems like a bad deal, UK will still have to obey EU laws, if it wish to export its goods.

And with the UK out, the EU won't have any say on future UK regulations but the EU will still have to obey and be subservient to future UK laws, if it wishes to export its goods.

[Kallisto]

And with the UK out, the EU won't have any say on future UK regulations but the EU will still have to obey and be subservient to future UK laws, if it wishes to export its goods.

And the UK being the smaller of the two markets will be bending over to the EU because it needs the EU money more than the EU needs UK money.

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The UK choose to leave the EU, it is the UK's responsibility to deal with that.

Yeah, and the truly ironic bit is that with this move the UK enabled the EU to get rid of that damned rebate once and for all. Should never have agreed to that bullshit in the first place.

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And the UK being the smaller of the two markets will be bending over to the EU because it needs the EU money more than the EU needs UK money.

And the EU being the more protectionist and restrictive market will be bending over to the open, free trade UK because it needs the UK money more than the UK needs EU money.

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And with the UK out, the EU won't have any say on future UK regulations but the EU will still have to obey and be subservient to future UK laws, if it wishes to export its goods.

You mean like putting the steering wheel on the right side of the car? Wow, what a great shock. We haven't done that since we started exporting cars to the UK, ever... not sure what your little reversal argument is trying to achieve, but it's not having your desired effect, I'm afraid. :P

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And the EU being the more protectionist and restrictive market will be bending over to the open, free trade UK because it needs the UK money more than the UK needs EU money.

You're becoming pathetic when your sentence doesn't even make sense within your own context. The EU isn't protectionist.. it's pragmatic. That pragmatism means that 140 million people will certainly not change how their wall plugs work just because the UK fancies a different kind of wall plug. You'd have to be all kinds of deluded to think that. So no, the EU won't change its regulation just because the mighty British Empire demands it. As is the case now, the EU might consider changing it when you present your case with good arguments and convince the majority that your idea is better than previous ideas.

Until then you can take your British Empire attitude and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. It's been a fucking long time since anyone has been impressed with that kind of "it'll happen because we want it to happen" bullshit.

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You mean like putting the steering wheel on the right side of the car? Wow, what a great shock. We haven't done that since we started exporting cars to the UK, ever... not sure what your little reversal argument is trying to achieve, but it's not having your desired effect, I'm afraid. :P

Ha! If the UK demanded Bavarian Motor Works placed the steering wheel on the top of the car roof just for funsies, it would be yes sir no sir three bags full sir. But we might just do what the Donald proposes and place a 35% levy.

You're becoming pathetic when your sentence doesn't even make sense within your own context. The EU isn't protectionist.. it's pragmatic. That pragmatism means that 140 million people will certainly not change how their wall plugs work just because the UK fancies a different kind of wall plug. You'd have to be all kinds of deluded to think that. So no, the EU won't change its regulation just because the mighty British Empire demands it. As is the case now, the EU might consider changing it when you present your case with good arguments and convince the majority that your idea is better than previous ideas.

Until then, you can take your British Empire attitude and go fuck off somewhere.

Even more funny, this coming from someone whose country believes that being a German entrepreneur is someone that works for Daimler from 18 to 70 and then dies.Seriously you wouldn't know protectionist if it slapped you like a wet fish in the face.

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Ha! If the UK demanded Bavarian Motor Works placed the steering wheel on the top of the car roof just for funsies, it would be yes sir no sir three bags full sir. But we might just do what the Donald proposes and place a 35% levy.

Well, go ahead. In either case, BMW will accomodate you. Because nobody here cares how dumb your ideas are on that island. And it'll be the British citizens paying that 35% levy. Oh wait, did you think BMW would sell cars at a loss? That's cute...

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We can only hope for it to go smoothly, so we can all get out at some point

I think the recent election in the Netherlands has proven that people overall are actually quite okay with being in the EU. And I don't expect the results to be much different in Germany and France later this year.
The United Kingdom was always a bit of an odd one when it came to EU members, their vote to leave doesn't necessarily reflect on how it would/will go for others.

[Adolecent]

Yeah, and the truly ironic bit is that with this move the UK enabled the EU to get rid of that damned rebate once and for all. Should never have agreed to that bullshit in the first place.

Indeed. The UK was always paying less then it should and was always with 1 foot out of the EU. It's our chance to repair those mistakes of our predecessors.

I do feel sorry for the 48,1% of the Brits who didn't want to leave.

[Kallisto]

And the EU being the more protectionist and restrictive market will be bending over to the open, free trade UK because it needs the UK money more than the UK needs EU money.

Lol bullshit, stop taking notes from UKIP and join us in the real world.

EU has countries that are either outright richer than the UK (France and Germany) or per person are also richer than the UK (Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium, Finland, Denmark). They have more money than we have. They have more options than we have. We need to export to the EU, more than they need to import from us. We need their money into our economy more than they need our money in theirs. They hold the cards and no USA or commonwealth or someone over there is going to come be our BFFs and pay over the odds for our exports (Which are usually more expensive and lower quality than mainland Europe)

[Pantupino]

Finally! enjoy it brits, you earned it! I'm so happy for you lads!

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An argentinian feeling happy for brits? Sounds strange. Rigth after the referendum i was unhappy with the results. But in those months i've read a lot of comments from leavers that changed my mind. You basically blame Eu without knowing the real source of your problems. You trash talk about every single eu member. In the end: so long and thanks for all the vetoes and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Kisses, an italian friend

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Lol bullshit, stop taking notes from UKIP and join us in the real world.

EU has countries that are either outright richer than the UK (France and Germany) or per person are also richer than the UK (Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium, Finland, Denmark). They have more money than we have. They have more options than we have. We need to export to the EU, more than they need to import from us. We need their money into our economy more than they need our money in theirs. They hold the cards and no USA or commonwealth or someone over there is going to come be our BFFs and pay over the odds for our exports (Which are usually more expensive and lower quality than mainland Europe)

As sad as it may be, I wouldn't even know what the UK is good at exporting. Apart from financial services. And since money can't have good or bad quality, I'm pretty certain there are quite a number of banks in Europe starting to wonder just how big the cake is they get to share if Britain doesn't play ball. That's the thing about money... it's fickle and it'll move rather easily if the conditions are right. Banking the entire negotiations on something like that probably isn't the smartest move.

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An argentinian feeling happy for brits? Sounds strange. Rigth after the referendum i was unhappy with the results. But in those months i've read a lot of comments from leavers that changed my mind. You basically blame Eu without knowing the real source of your problems. You trash talk about every single eu member. In the end: so long and thanks for all the vetoes and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Kisses, an italian friend

You're pretty much described my process, too. All the dumb shittalking turned me from unhappy to indifferent. And whenever I see an ignorant remark on this topic, I am glad that it's one voice less I'll have to concern myself with after the Brexit. On the other hand, there are a lot (!) of Brits that I pity, because they know what's at stake and how it could go wrong if the idiots keep steering the ship. Will it sink? Nobody knows. But they never asked for the quite unnecessary risk of trying it out...

[ranzino]

Meanwhile Merkel and Abe talk about free trade between Japan and EU. UK cannot even start such talks until April 2019 and cannot benefit from any accord, should it arise between now and then.

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Lol bullshit, stop taking notes from UKIP and join us in the real world.

EU has countries that are either outright richer than the UK (France and Germany) or per person are also richer than the UK (Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium, Finland, Denmark). They have more money than we have. They have more options than we have. We need to export to the EU, more than they need to import from us. We need their money into our economy more than they need our money in theirs. They hold the cards and no USA or commonwealth or someone over there is going to come be our BFFs and pay over the odds for our exports (Which are usually more expensive and lower quality than mainland Europe)

Look let's be honest you say EU this EU that EU blah blah blah, but it's really only Germany and to a lesser extent their quisling France that matter for global trade. German economic policy aided by a puppet, in the pocket, subservient Brussels government, has peasantified pretty much all the meditterranean German substates/countries to irrelevance with an infliction of mass youth unemployment and debt. Look what they have done to once proud, now forgotten, historic nations like Greece/Spain/Italy and their peoples. The majority of the rest in the East have the economic output of Zimbabwe and the corruption to match. Europe is now what 400 ish million people? Most of those doubtfully have more than 10 euro a month in disposable income, how much of a customer to the UK/world can they be?

The EU stands or falls in the future purely on Germany and to all intents and purposes the EU is Germany and Germany is the EU. One in the same.

What worries me and should worry you, is that no one seems to have learn't anything from history about German attempts to dominate Europe because that is where we are now.

To be open and transparent stop referring to the EU and call it for what it always was about and what it is, Germany.

[Pann]

What worries me and should worry you, is that no one seems to have learn't anything from history about German attempts to dominate Europe because that is where we are now.

To be open and transparent stop referring to the EU and call it for what it always was about and what it is, Germany.

Are you for real???