Another Russian Assassination

[Sinyc]

So no evidence to back your claim? Gotcha. Just wanted to double check you're the blowhard hypocrite we know you to be. If you have something, post it. If you need evidence of my claims, read a newspaper.

You are kidding right? Not once did I claim to have evidence. You introduced that element, then tried to shift the responsibility on me to produce something!
I can't believe you are serious...

All evidence pointing to the contrary.

Just to remind you that you are privy to evidence, but won't say what. Just a generic "read a newspaper" response. I could go off on a rant about if you were arguing with someone who said they had evidence and they said that exact same bolded sentence that you said, and what your response would be.. Come on now.

Not sure what I am supposed to produce besides using common sense and my brain.

[Charge me Doctor]

So no evidence to back your claim? Gotcha. Just wanted to double check you're the blowhard hypocrite we know you to be. If you have something, post it. If you need evidence of my claims, read a newspaper.

I just read a newspaper, how exactly news about local fishermen using magnets to get shit of the river bottom proves what exactly? You are just absurd person

[Cthulhu 2020]

You mean Russians aren't actually bad? :P

Who said anything about Russians as a whole? We know this is Putin + his devout priests and the cultists who worship him.

Not the fault of anyone else who isn't devoid of independent thought.

[Kreo]

Who said anything about Russians as a whole? We know this is Putin + his devout priests and the cultists who worship him.

Not the fault of anyone else who isn't devoid of independent thought.

So anyone who disagree with you are mindless zombies?
Is there any chance to have independent thought and have different from mainstream media opinion about Putin and his "priests"?

[Cthulhu 2020]

So anyone who disagree with you are mindless zombies?
Is there any chance to have independent thought and have different from mainstream media opinion about Putin and his "priests"?

Someone pointed it out earlier in this thread. Usually you can't really blame people for falling for propaganda. It's often well done and the reason propaganda has existed for thousands of years is because it WORKS.

The thing is, there are certain times where you just have to shake your head. "Ukraine kills own people to set Putin up!" "Ukraine kills ally to set Putin up!" "Ukraine kills Russian defector to make Putin look bad!" "Russian defector dies from uranium coffee, self inflicted, ANYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING ELSE JUST HATES DEAR LEADER PUTIN."

You just have to LUL at the people who believe that after the 30th time.

[davecrew]

Someone pointed it out earlier in this thread. Usually you can't really blame people for falling for propaganda. It's often well done and the reason propaganda has existed for thousands of years is because it WORKS.

The thing is, there are certain times where you just have to shake your head. "Ukraine kills own people to set Putin up!" "Ukraine kills ally to set Putin up!" "Ukraine kills Russian defector to make Putin look bad!" "Russian defector dies from uranium coffee, self inflicted, ANYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING ELSE JUST HATES DEAR LEADER PUTIN."

You just have to LUL at the people who believe that after the 30th time.

I "LUL" at the people who believe that another country besides Russia would NEVER kill its own people to set up something.

what world do you live in?

[zm3i]

Ultraliberal schizophrenic western imbeciles got owned again. The guy was iced by an ex-Azov Ukrainian Nazi, his comrade-in-arms said he was a brain-dead russophoeb. The Ukrainian morons tried to say that he was "secretly enlisted by FSB" but he NEVER left Ukraine in all his 29 years, and was fired from Azov only in 2016. It's all over the news now. See Shariy's investigation for more info.

Seriously morons, the guy was killed in Ukraine, by a Ukrainian and none of you even tried to blame anybody from Ukraine, but went with your usual anti-Russia rants and at the same time called pro-Russians conspiracy theorists, acting like you are the only unbiased and open-minded here. How fucked up can u possibly be? (rhetorical question)
Btw the guy was saying all his bullshit for a month on all Ukrainian channels. What's the point in killing him? He said all he wanted already.
Ukraine is a fucking hell now, the killings of both pro-Russians and anti-Russians happen here almost every 2 weeks.. all hail Maidan coup brokered by the West

[Shalcker]

Someone pointed it out earlier in this thread. Usually you can't really blame people for falling for propaganda. It's often well done and the reason propaganda has existed for thousands of years is because it WORKS.

The thing is, there are certain times where you just have to shake your head. "Ukraine kills own people to set Putin up!" "Ukraine kills ally to set Putin up!" "Ukraine kills Russian defector to make Putin look bad!" "Russian defector dies from uranium coffee, self inflicted, ANYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING ELSE JUST HATES DEAR LEADER PUTIN."

You just have to LUL at the people who believe that after the 30th time.

You have to LUL at people saying for every Russian death abroad "Putin did it!" too though (and non-Russian too in case of Ukraine, who blame everything on Putin), and that happens way more frequently.

There was exactly one suspicious death from polonium, after all, years ago. And the rest were never "linked to Putin" in any way.

And this particular kill was enacted by Ukrainian nationalist, who had reasons completely separate from Putin to hate Voronenkov.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I "LUL" at the people who believe that another country besides Russia would NEVER kill its own people to set up something.

what world do you live in?

Yes of course, dear leader Putin would NEVER order an assassination, ever. Every single incident that might paint him in a bad light is a false flag. Even when it's a high ranking politician or diplomat being assassinated, it was their own country that did it, and a false flag to harm dear leader Putin.

All hail the perfect saint.



Kill anyone who would DARE to insinuate that he has people killed!

[Shalcker]

Yes of course, dear leader Putin would NEVER order an assassination, ever. Every single incident that might paint him in a bad light is a false flag. Even when it's a high ranking politician or diplomat being assassinated, it was their own country that did it, and a false flag to harm dear leader Putin.

Local killings/suicides/accidents happen way more often then "political assassination".

The right way to look at every death is "probably not Putin" until you have evidence otherwise.

[Dastreus]

The red scare is back, Comrades!

[Cybran]

Yes of course, dear leader Putin would NEVER order an assassination, ever.

What does Putin gain from this murder? - Nothing.

What does Ukraine and American neo-cons gain from this Murder? - Hysteria, Blaming, Pressure to keep sanctions now that LePen has vowed to lift them, Give Ukrainian junta a excuse to ratchet more military spending and right wing militias.

[burek]

Someone pointed it out earlier in this thread. Usually you can't really blame people for falling for propaganda. It's often well done and the reason propaganda has existed for thousands of years is because it WORKS.

The thing is, there are certain times where you just have to shake your head. "Ukraine kills own people to set Putin up!" "Ukraine kills ally to set Putin up!" "Ukraine kills Russian defector to make Putin look bad!" "Russian defector dies from uranium coffee, self inflicted, ANYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING ELSE JUST HATES DEAR LEADER PUTIN."

You just have to LUL at the people who believe that after the 30th time.

you are the one falling for propaganda though

[Orbitus]

What does Putin gain from this murder? - Nothing.

What does Ukraine and American neo-cons gain from this Murder? - Hysteria, Blaming, Pressure to keep sanctions now that LePen has vowed to lift them, Give Ukrainian junta a excuse to ratchet more military spending and right wing militias.

What does Putin gain? Considering this guy was going to rat out Putin, probably a whole fucking lot.

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you are the one falling for propaganda though

What is propaganda? Are you saying that Putin/Russia doesn't kill political opponents? Are you saying that Russia didn't interfere in our election? Are you saying they didn't help Trump get elected? Because all of those have basically been proven.

[burek]

I am saying you are falling big time, but you are somehow oblivious to see it, which means it was really successful in the brainwashing process. Russian propaganda doesn't even come close to those levels

[Gaaz]

It is funny to hear people blaming Russia for everything, justified or not, without even thinking.
I mean Voronenkov's killer was a Ukrainian citizen, he was not originally from rebel states, had National Guard documents on him (regiment #3057) and it was confirmed that he served on the Ukrainian side in that war (his actual name is Pavel Parshov). I mean, of course it was Putin, who else? It is not like Ukraine is prone to killing political opponents, journalists or random politicians lately... Oh wait... Is it wrong that when I screen news articles with words like "Ukraine, killed, assasination" etc., I constantly get names of dead politicians, journalists and businessmen, as well as words "National Guard" and "may be involved"? Just this month: Ryajev (business, his children 6 and 8 wounded in the drive by), Sheremet (journalist, car explosion), Kutushev and Makarenko (police, killed in broad daylight by National Guard member). Now Voronenkov. This is just from screening news articles for 24 days of March 2017. Damn... Putin's hands are everywhere, including some of the world's most russo-phobe military organizations... Clearly it was all his doing.
Sarcasm mode off.

[Barnabas]

He was testifying against Viktor Yanukovych. So of course he was going to be in danger. Why be in a country a former president left then testify against him? Just because he got removed from power doesn't mean he doesn't have any friends left?

[Shalcker]

What does Putin gain? Considering this guy was going to rat out Putin, probably a whole fucking lot.

How many of those guys "going to rat out Putin" lived happily many years in London? Writing books and all?

What is propaganda? Are you saying that Putin/Russia doesn't kill political opponents?

As a rule, it doesn't. There are some murky areas with those who did intelligence work then defected, but absolute majority of political opponents are perfectly safe (see Navalny, or Kasparov, or any other).

Are you saying that Russia didn't interfere in our election?

No actual proof of interference have been presented so far, only whole load of "allegations"

Are you saying they didn't help Trump get elected?

Also still wasn't proven. And if they did, they mostly did it because they hated Clinton more, not because they somehow colluded with Trump.

Because all of those have basically been proven.

As in "not at all".

[Cybran]

What does Putin gain? Considering this guy was going to rat out Putin, probably a whole fucking lot.

Rat him out about what exactly? The European public is already numb by the media and western political outrage. Panama leaks by the CIA didn't stick. MH17 didn't stick. Crimea didn't stick.


What did this guy have that would have been worse?

[NED funded]

Rat him out about what exactly? The European public is already numb by the media and western political outrage. Panama leaks by the CIA didn't stick. MH17 didn't stick. Crimea didn't stick.


What did this guy have that would have been worse?

Like do you people believe this? Couldn't it be that a group of journalists were genuinely interested in uncovering the situation and Putin just happened to be related to the case, because he is the encarnation of corruption?