M+ in 7.2 gives less AP that 7.1.5

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At +10 Cath/UPK/BRH/VOTW/EOA/NL/Court. (most are 39min timers)

Doing a +10 key in time gives 775k in 1 token at AK 26.
Doing a +10 HoV gives 1Mill at AK 26.

in 7.1.5 doing any of these gave 300K in 2 tokens (150k each) at AK 25

So at AK 26 these would give 1.2Mill at the OLD values.


M+ is literally giving around 40% less AP in the patch.

[smaktat]

So at AK 26 these would give 1.2Mill at the OLD values.

where is your math

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I just did an Arcway 7 in 14 minutes. Every member of the group got different quantities of AP (695k, 782k, 794k and 808k) (the 5th guy was a random one not my guildie so idk how much he got)

[Mayong]

where is your math

300k * 4 = 1.2 million
AK26 is 4 times as powerful as AK25

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300k * 4 = 1.2 million
AK26 is 4 times as powerful as AK25

It was 2*125k in 10 or higher in 7.1.5. So HoV like dungeons contains the old base amount, while all the faster ones contains (like they promised) lower amounts of ap.

[Kluian05]

It was 2*125k in 10 or higher in 7.1.5. So HoV like dungeons contains the old base amount, while all the faster ones contains (like they promised) lower amounts of ap.

Nah 7-9 gave 250k AP (500x2 base), and 10+ gave 300k AP (600x2 base).

So by the looks of it most dungeons AP was reduced by around ~35%.

[Kikazz]

blizzard stated that AP in Mythic + is based off of the timers for the dungeon now.

so if its cleared quicker it makes the AP lower?

[Senistian]

Math aside and possible bugs, such as people getting different amounts for the same dungeon. A +10 in 7.1.5 and a + 10 in 7.2 are 2 completely different things. Also ap scales not only on difficulty but length of the dungeon, eg longer dungeons give more ap. In 7.1.5 they did not scale in this way so a maw 10 and a hov 10 gave the same ap. Doing a comparison of the dungeons of same length now and in 7.1.5 is wrong to begin with due to this change.

[Nevcairiel]

Blizzard did previously state that the AP from the dungeon completion chest would be lower in 7.2, so this is no surprise.
To compensate, and reward running higher keys instead of spamming low ones, you get a huge AP item in the weekly chest based on the highest key you ran.

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Blizzard did previously state that the AP from the dungeon completion chest would be lower in 7.2, so this is no surprise.
To compensate, and reward running higher keys instead of spamming low ones, you get a huge AP item in the weekly chest based on the highest key you ran.

How does it reward going for higher ones? Reward from chest most likely has linear scaling while dungeon difficulty scales exponentially. Anyone with enough common sense is going to realize that instead of pushing for higher ones you will get more AP and chances on good loot from doing several lower ones instead.

Math aside

You get less base AP for each dungeon, same dungeons are taking more time and required relative efforts are even higher compared to Nighthold prep.

[Softbottom]

I'm at the point where I am just going to run EN N/H ToV N/H and NH N/H each week and not bother with mythic+ any longer. Speed runs of old raids are much better AP gain and a lot faster.

[Senistian]

How does it reward going for higher ones? Reward from chest most likely has linear scaling while dungeon difficulty scales exponentially. Anyone with enough common sense is going to realize that instead of pushing for higher ones you will get more AP and chances on good loot from doing several lower ones instead.


You get less base AP for each dungeon, same dungeons are taking more time and required relative efforts are even higher compared to Nighthold prep.

Yes because we now also get AP in our chest for the highest m+ we complete. None of this is new.

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Have no issue with the rebalancing. The time to get to the most important milestone (aka 1 paragon point) is fairly easy to achieve. All the additional AP sources will help alot (m+weekly chest, paragon chests, double ap perk etc). But the paragon traits itself are insane. No paragon 25 in 2k17.

[Ferozan]

They said they would shift some of the AP earned on m+ to the weekly chest. That is probably why you earn less now than before.

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Yes because we now also get AP in our chest for the highest m+ we complete. None of this is new.

And how much AP do you get from the chest? 5 dungeons worth of AP? Thanks.

[Jimson]

And how much AP do you get from the chest? 5 dungeons worth of AP? Thanks.

No one knows yet, do they?

[Nystromia]

No one knows yet, do they?

M+10 = 5 Million AP per weekly chest ( Based on PTR)

[pay928]

M+10 = 5 Million AP per weekly chest ( Based on PTR)

The amount of AP is irrelevant without the AK multiplier also given.

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No one knows yet, do they?

PTR was around for several months. If it's really 5M at AK26 then it's close to 7 dungeons. If you go ham with AP farm you do at least twice more every day of that week.

[Segus1992]

blizzard stated that AP in Mythic + is based off of the timers for the dungeon now.

so if its cleared quicker it makes the AP lower?

No, if the dungeon is shorter (Maw of Souls, Court of Stars) it will give less.

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And how much AP do you get from the chest? 5 dungeons worth of AP? Thanks.

The entire point of that change was to disincentivize farming M+ for AP as much as people did for 54 traits. So yeah, obviously you'll get less from farming M+ for AP in 7.2.