Suspected Syria gas attack kills dozens

[Mormolyce]

Well looks like this didn't age to well.

https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/481278545885663232

Or this.



Topkek.

[downnola]

How cute when just today al Qaeda killed an fsa commander.
Before opening that mouth of yours, make sure you have the info to back your shit up.

How dumb are you?

>there's no "moderate" rebels left
>Al-Qaeda killed a commander from the "moderate" FSA today

Pick one.

Keep regurgitating RT.com talking points like you're "woke" or some shit. At the end of the day, you're just another Assad fuckboy on MMO-OT.

Nobody in Syria gives a fuck that you or any other westerner disapproves of them fighting alongside Al-Nusra. They will continue to do so as long as Assad remains in power because people like you make international action against war criminals unpopular when you spew up uncritically assimilated bullshit you read from government funded media.

And people like you have the nerve to bitch about propaganda? Get fucking real, boy.

infracted - minor flaming

[Uzkin]

It is HIGHLY improbable that Assad/Syrian army used the chemical weapons. If they were inclined to use them in this war, their use would be much more wide-spread. A single incident without military significance almost certainly implies that the chemicals were stored at the rebel/terrorist-controlled area and accidentally released as a result of the Syrian army attack.

[Theodarzna]

It is HIGHLY improbable that Assad/Syrian army used the chemical weapons. If they were inclined to use them in this war, their use would be much more wide-spread. A single incident without military significance almost certainly implies that the chemicals were stored at the rebel/terrorist-controlled area and accidentally released as a result of the Syrian army attack.

The very chance that this tyrant has used chemical weapons on civilians is enough to justify war. We must remove Saddam. I mean Assad. /s

[Corvus]

It is HIGHLY improbable that Assad/Syrian army used the chemical weapons. If they were inclined to use them in this war, their use would be much more wide-spread. A single incident without military significance almost certainly implies that the chemicals were stored at the rebel/terrorist-controlled area and accidentally released as a result of the Syrian army attack.

Except that is not how those kind of weapons function. An attack on a store of chemical weapons would have destroyed them rather than to disperse them. To be effectively dispersed they need to be released in the air above the target.

[digitalskill987]

I honestly feel trumps going to try to have a full war in Syria

[Ulmita]

This is bs. Why Assad would use chemical weapons? he is winning on all fronts. Also, i think Syria has given up all its stockpile of such weapons.

This is most probably a false flag so some countries could go to work, you know, do their thing.

[Violent]

This is what I came up with (caution advised watching this vid)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqcsdXFs00c

Assad is killing his people like you kill cockroaches but no one will care...

There are more important things to handle like Israel building in their own capital/land.

This is just a video of like 10 dead kids.
No information, no nothing.. Just a group of dead kids.
What exactly is this supposed to prove?

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The orange baboon better watch his mouth, Assad stays.
Might as well have been USA hitting a chemical weapons stockpile in Mosul, does someone then have the right to do air-strikes on USA? Assad is winning, he doesn't need chemical weapons..

Come do Airstrikes here, Bud.

Not an aircraft in this world that can make it here to do Airstrikes, let alone live to make it home.

[Shalcker]

Except that is not how those kind of weapons function. An attack on a store of chemical weapons would have destroyed them rather than to disperse them. To be effectively dispersed they need to be released in the air above the target.

Was actual chemical agent independently verified already? Known symptoms can be caused by many things.

Not every chemical requires "effective dispersion" to have effect, check many historical chemical factory disasters - it is often enough simply being downwind from one.

[sonololo]

...it doesn't look like Sarin at all. Has the chemical agent been verified?

Just looking also at it logical way – why use poison gas on a village that has no value, nothing worth saving? Just a 500 pound bomb would do the same and not cross "the red line".

[Breccia]

Well looks like this didn't age to well.

https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/481278545885663232

https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/84...-international

That's a former ambassador to Russia, suggesting Russia basically hid Syrian chemical weapons from the rest of the international community.

[Deleted]

How dumb are you?

>there's no "moderate" rebels left
>Al-Qaeda killed a commander from the "moderate" FSA today

Pick one.

Keep regurgitating RT.com talking points like you're "woke" or some shit. At the end of the day, you're just another Assad fuckboy on MMO-OT.

Nobody in Syria gives a fuck that you or any other westerner disapproves of them fighting alongside Al-Nusra. They will continue to do so as long as Assad remains in power because people like you make international action against war criminals unpopular when you spew up uncritically assimilated bullshit you read from government funded media.

And people like you have the nerve to bitch about propaganda? Get fucking real, boy.

Look at the propaganda toy getting all emotional. Don't be angry. I know being wrong under all point of views, moral and political, might be hard for your brain to accept but that's just the nature of things.
Let me guess, you supported the Iraq war and the removal of gheddafi right?

[Minikin]

Due to the failed policies led by the US over decades this is the outcome and Europe is already paying the price for it. It is important to note that things like Iraq 2 was not supported by mainland Europe, Bush got barely any support for it. The removal of Saddam there was the lynchpin that set it all off. Maybe you should not make such silly statements when you aren't aware of what Europe is already doing for it.

Every president since Bush and even after with Obama doing good with Iran but fumbling around with ISIS where the was more support to act faster but not enough even in Europe due to the fear of creating another Iraq situation.

The power vacuum created is on the americans and the british with setting that pointless war off, still awaiting that proof about WMD's.

Beyond that, the only thing that surprises me here is that the Trump administration is coming out against Assad what is the opposite of the previous support send towards him, guess there's some humanity in that administration left after all.

I also want to point out that the Far right in Europe this includes Front National and yes also a Belgian party went out of their way to visit and sit down with Assad to show their support, believing he's doing right with fighting IS as he does while at the same time labeling anyone who oppose him as a terrorist. Those kids you see in that footage of that attack all labelled terrorists by Assad. Something to think about.

Thank you. it is rare to come across people on this forum who can actually retrace history that is not that very far back in time and plot the points together.

To people in support of Asaad. How many terms must someone serve, irrevocably winning all the time? Even countries with extremely corrupt politicians realize that is an impossible feat. The man assumed office in 2000.

Lets ignore all the media coverage, all the bombings and what not. But only look at that. Do you think it is healthy that one guy is holding the seat of power for nearly 17 years. Do you think he is holding on by legitimate means? If he isnt, do you think he will give it up or continue holding on? How far will he go to hold on to that seat of power?

Syria was a by product of the egyptian revolution, which was inspired by the events in tunisia. Yemen also reflected similar ideals. Egypt kind of got what it wanted for better or worse is debatable. Tunisia did too. Yemen and Syria not so much. Their process...if you call it that, has been completely annihilated and now its just a long sink to the bottom.

But the question is, what is all the involvement there? It is a pretty backwater country (even more so now, given that the current and next generation has been set back a lifetime). Why are powers like Russia and US interested there?

Do those children in the video look like contenders for the seat of power in Syria? Or are they battle hardened ISIS fighters? But yes I get it. This is war, and war is not pretty. However that is an unrefined conclusion to this mess. We in the west are pretty vocal when it is easy, to chose sides. But when a complicated in depth matter shows up, we either race to a conclusion, use a large paint brush to generalize or just say it is too far to worry about.

Can we remember what was the reason,why our troops were pulled away from their families and sent to Iraq and Libya, chasing saddaam and gaddafi?

Wrong will always be wrong. Even if Mr.Bashar wins and solidifies his hold on his seat of power. What is the conclusion? Do we treat happily then with a person who we know has the blood of his own people on his hands?

Europe is doing its level best and they are doing a hell of a job. It is not common knowledge but most muslims look to flourishing countries in the mid east, and are ashamed that a secular country like Germany is doing more for muslim refugees than a flourishing muslim country. But the power of gold and oil is hard to break past.

In the end we talk on a video game forum about matters that even after much research are so convoluted that the only realization you are left with is, this is the natural state of us.

[Hiricine]

...it doesn't look like Sarin at all. Has the chemical agent been verified?

Just looking also at it logical way – why use poison gas on a village that has no value, nothing worth saving? Just a 500 pound bomb would do the same and not cross "the red line".

Thats the part I don't get when everyone jumps to the conclusion we need to wreck Assad's shit for this. Theres much easier ways of killing civilians than chemical weapons, and these dictators are well aware of the international influence in their conflicts.

[Feesh]

"Tomorrow a media campaign will begin to cover intense air raids on the Hama countryside and use of chlorine against civilians"
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/849635794994286592
https://twitter.com/JustinRaimondo/s...47752300838912

This whole situation just oozes false flag.

[Deleted]

https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/84...-international

That's a former ambassador to Russia, suggesting Russia basically hid Syrian chemical weapons from the rest of the international community.

I know who he is, he is one of the planners behind maidan n overthrow of democratically elected president and government. He also has had meetings with misfits n traitors in Russia, stirring problem.

Embassy in Moscow is a CIA HQ since the cold war. He is approved by CIA no other way u can get that important location. This is your source? You made your post like "this is some ambassador"

[Corvus]

Was actual chemical agent independently verified already? Known symptoms can be caused by many things.

Both the WHO and MCF have said their medical teams are reporting that the symptoms presented are consistent with a chemical agent.

[kostas83]

It's strange how western medias works , there is no topics here about attack on Sankt petersburg metro where Russians civilians got killed..but when some thing happened which may or may not include Russians red light turns on.

[Deleted]

Thank you. it is rare to come across people on this forum who can actually retrace history that is not that very far back in time and plot the points together.

To people in support of Asaad. How many terms must someone serve, irrevocably winning all the time? Even countries with extremely corrupt politicians realize that is an impossible feat. The man assumed office in 2000.

Lets ignore all the media coverage, all the bombings and what not. But only look at that. Do you think it is healthy that one guy is holding the seat of power for nearly 17 years. Do you think he is holding on by legitimate means? If he isnt, do you think he will give it up or continue holding on? How far will he go to hold on to that seat of power?

Syria was a by product of the egyptian revolution, which was inspired by the events in tunisia. Yemen also reflected similar ideals. Egypt kind of got what it wanted for better or worse is debatable. Tunisia did too. Yemen and Syria not so much. Their process...if you call it that, has been completely annihilated and now its just a long sink to the bottom.

But the question is, what is all the involvement there? It is a pretty backwater country (even more so now, given that the current and next generation has been set back a lifetime). Why are powers like Russia and US interested there?

Do those children in the video look like contenders for the seat of power in Syria? Or are they battle hardened ISIS fighters? But yes I get it. This is war, and war is not pretty. However that is an unrefined conclusion to this mess. We in the west are pretty vocal when it is easy, to chose sides. But when a complicated in depth matter shows up, we either race to a conclusion, use a large paint brush to generalize or just say it is too far to worry about.

Can we remember what was the reason,why our troops were pulled away from their families and sent to Iraq and Libya, chasing saddaam and gaddafi?

Wrong will always be wrong. Even if Mr.Bashar wins and solidifies his hold on his seat of power. What is the conclusion? Do we treat happily then with a person who we know has the blood of his own people on his hands?

Europe is doing its level best and they are doing a hell of a job. It is not common knowledge but most muslims look to flourishing countries in the mid east, and are ashamed that a secular country like Germany is doing more for muslim refugees than a flourishing muslim country. But the power of gold and oil is hard to break past.

In the end we talk on a video game forum about matters that even after much research are so convoluted that the only realization you are left with is, this is the natural state of us.

The validity of assad as a political figure isn't part of the discussion. Assad is not a viable option in a normal scenario. Unfortunately this is far from normal. Assad now represents the secular, stable Syria of the past, Islamist extremists represent a step back decades.
Syria and Yemen are being bombed to the stone age. This is whats wrong with them.

Wrong will always be wrong. There's degrees of wrong. Saddam is wrong, current iraq is worst. Gheddafi is wrong, current Libya is worst. Assad is wrong, the alternatives are worst.
This is how it is, and unless you decide not to take part in this political discussion, you have to understand what you had with Assad and what you will have if Assad is replaced.

[caervek]

How many terms must someone serve, irrevocably winning all the time? Even countries with extremely corrupt politicians realize that is an impossible feat. The man assumed office in 2000.

Just a note, this is a myth, he won the 2014 election, but prior to this the president was not elected by the people but by the ruling party or coalition (just like in the UK and many other democracies). The change to let the people choose elect the ruling party/coalition and the president separately was one of the reforms Assad instigated since taking over in 2000.

I'm not saying he isn't a bad guy but the comparisons often made to dictators are unwarranted, the guy is an ex-London eye doctor who got called home after the heir to the throne died and spent a decade modernizing/improving his country before the civil war kicked off.