Clinton: 'Misogyny played a role' in 2016

[Elba]

People really think the atheist socialist Jew who showed sympathy for anti American groups woulda won? lol

[I Push Buttons]

To which Patriarchal societal norms largely contribute.

Nurture > Nature.

Please provide some evidence.

Because there is vast evidence of the opposite. Girls are (now) encouraged to do anything they dream of, they are equal in every way to boys, any field, any career, etc. This coupled with diversity quotas and the like... Most tech schools, for example, are bending over backwards for diversity sake to accept female applicants.

And the breakdown of gender in these fields, while slightly changed, has on the whole remained unchanged. Men still vastly dominate STEM fields... Women still vastly dominate service/arts/education fields, etc.

[Very Tired]

First up misogyny is only against women, the equivalent against men is misandry.

Secondly, Bernie's biggest issue is how far left his policies were compared to the US in general (remember the Democrats would be considered centre-right by most other western democracies.) If he had won the primaries it's doubtful he would have beaten Trump due to America's aversion to socialism.

It's impossible to say who would have won is Bernie went against Trump. And in regards to policies, they played a surprisingly little roll in the entire election. I'd wager most people didn't actually know Trump stance on most issues besides anti-immigration and building a wall. Can't blame them that much since he flip flops so often. The same went for Clinton, who was generally just known as the women who went with whatever was the most popular option at the time.

Now the media didn't have a huge focus on Bernie, but from what I could tell, he didn't have an huge scandals like illegal E-mail servers or doing something like saying you're going to get rid of a ton of coal jobs in one of your key states. Clinton did receive more votes, just not in the right states. She needed broader appeal to all the key demographics of the states that didn't vote for her. Hint: When Trump says the "forgotten men and women" of this country, he really means white people.

[Shiny212]

So she lost traditionally blue states because of rednecks? Not because she pissed off private sector unions? Not because she didn't bother to campaign at all in those areas because she assumed she already had them in the bag while allowing Trump to undermine her message in those areas because he was campaigning? Not because while actually working in Obama's administration she made terrible miscalculations that continued to dog her campaign all the way to the end? Trump won a significant amount of female votes. He won more black votes than any Republican had since Bush senior. He beat Romney in the latino vote. Let's face it. Clinton was the worst candidate to put up for the presidency and was only chosen becuase it was "her turn." That's not how you win elections. She got out campaigned by Obama and then she got out campaigned by Trump.

Her winning the popular vote is meaningless. We don't elect our leaders with the popular vote and for very good reason. So what if she overwhelmingly won California which completely makes up the difference in the popular vote? You don't get extra electors by a wider winner-take-all margin.

If you re-examine my post, you'll see I'm not arguing with anyone about what made Clinton lose and who's at fault. It was me talking about feminism and misogyny and whether or not that had an impact.

In response to you, Clinton's certainly at fault for many things that went wrong in her campaign, getting baited and brought down on Trump's level, failing to exude the charisma of a presidential candidate etc, but much of why she lost wasn't under her control. She isn't the sole contributor to her demise, the way you make it out to be. She could've and very nearly did win, if anything the most likely reason why she didn't is voter suppression in key states, and extreme smear campaign by Trump & allegedly Russian agents. Both things it's unfair to blame Clinton for.

[SL1200]

Misogny... The reason she lost was because women didn't vote for her.

[Blobfish]

What a load of Crap.

"Misogyny" The Excuse that PC Politicians use when they do not win an arguement or loose

See Australia's ex Prime Minister Julia Gillard (worst Aussie PM ever), use the the Misogyny argument for loosing her debate in Parliament.

See a SUPER STRONG and Respected World Leader like Theresa May.

Theresa May would not stoop to a low act at calling Misogyny, because Theresa has British Balls.

[tankbug]

I think many democrats were not excited about this election. At best, they would get a downgraded Obama, and the chances that Trump, the moronic clown, had absolutely no chance of winning anyway. So let's stay at home!

[Elba]

Please provide some evidence.

Because there is vast evidence of the opposite. Girls are (now) encouraged to do anything they dream of, they are equal in every way to boys, any field, any career, etc.

They are not lol. Society treats boys and girls still very differently. Boys get encouraged towards science by parents, teachers, media etc. Girls do not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/07/u...ence.html?_r=0

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articl...ng-Scientists/
http://www.slate.com/articles/techno...uing_stem.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...math-sciences/
http://nationswell.com/stem-career-y...-words-impact/
http://www.sciencemag.org/careers/20...em-disciplines
https://www.theguardian.com/world/us...gender-gap-fix

Also, apparently the anglo sphere is really shit in this regard. As usual.

[Racthoh]

I am so sick of this shit: if I didn't want to vote for Hillary, then CLEARLY it's simply because I have a problem with the idea of a female president.

i don't think that's what this implies? is it so hard to believe that at least a single voter in the entire country voted for trump because they didn't want an "emotional" (verbatim quote from my 67 year old father) female president? it's not like she's saying it completely decided the election, just that there were a percentage of the people voting against a female president which i think is a fair assessment.

i doubt it made a difference, but sure it played a small role. i don't think it really needs to be discussed beyond that.

[Shiny212]

What a load of Crap.

"Misogyny" The Excuse that PC Politicians use when they do not win an arguement or loose

See Australia's ex Prime Minister Julia Gillard (worst Aussie PM ever), use the the Misogyny argument for loosing her debate in Parliament.

See a SUPER STRONG and Respected World Leader like Theresa May.

Theresa May would not stoop to a low act at calling Misogyny, because Theresa has British Balls.

That's because Theresa May is a major misogynist herself. She's firmly against female reproductive rights and a raving zealot to boot. She's an ultra-conservative man in a dress.

[Deleted]

Hillary just doesnt get why people don't like her..

I can tell her right now, if Michelle Obama had run she wouldve won and she's also a women.

She wouldn't have. Michelle is equally disliked in the red states. Perhaps she could have turn PA and MI around, but she still would have lost.

[KrazyK923]

I mean she's not wrong. Some people did vote against her because she is a woman. There are some people who voted for her because she is a woman.

All the people thumping their chests about the PC/SJW agenda need to realize that its when its retardedly extreme is why its bad, however there are plenty of things they advocate that, on a small scale, absolutely still occur. Rape culture and all that bullshit is a joke, but to pretend that sexism wasn't in play, at all, during this election is foolish. I'm not saying it was the primary reason she lost, I'm not even saying it was a big reason she lost, but it did contribute. I know people personally who didn't vote for her because she was a woman. And they thought a woman couldn't do as well as a man in that high stress of a job. They literally told that to me.

Just goes to show, once again, both extremes of SJWs and alt-right or whatever the fuck they wanna call themselves now after "alt-right" is synonymous with national embarrassment, are exactly the same.

[tankbug]

....See Australia's ex Prime Minister Julia Gillard (worst Aussie PM ever)...

I think Tony Abbott has that honor.

[Deleted]

I tried: I caucused for Bernie.

Anyway, my point was about the bigger picture, not about whether specific candidates win or lose. Hillary lost because enough people don't like her, but if in 10 years, women are still only 20% of the legislature, we have to ask ourselves why. Are most of the women who run for office just unlikeable? Are women only about 20% of candidates to begin with? Or do we need to look at the way we view women in our society?

Like I said, I think it's likely that this will self-correct in a generation or so.

It's because the old politicians stick around too long and keep the system corrupted. Look at the republican party, half of them believe women belong in the kitchen, should not have a career and should always take care of the children. Not to mention half of them are already partially in their graves.

Even if they pass away, I don't think it's going to change much for the republicans, it seems that every generation ends up adopting the mindset of the previous generation. You can kinda look at the GOP as a fanatic and religious cult, those ideologies they have, will never fade away.

[Very Tired]

I mean she's not wrong. Some people did vote against her because she is a woman. There are some people who voted for her because she is a woman.

All the people thumping their chests about the PC/SJW agenda need to realize that its when its retardedly extreme is why its bad, however there are plenty of things they advocate that, on a small scale, absolutely still occur. Rape culture and all that bullshit is a joke, but to pretend that sexism wasn't in play, at all, during this election is foolish. I'm not saying it was the primary reason she lost, I'm not even saying it was a big reason she lost, but it did contribute. I know people personally who didn't vote for her because she was a woman. And they thought a woman couldn't do as well as a man in that high stress of a job. They literally told that to me.

Just goes to show, once again, both extremes of SJWs and alt-right or whatever the fuck they wanna call themselves now after "alt-right" is synonymous with national embarrassment, are exactly the same.

Some people didn't vote for her because she's a women... but some other people also voted for because she is a women. Who's the say which side had the bigger impact.

Either way, it's pretty pointless seeing as the list of dumb reasons why people vote the way they do goes on forever.

[Deleted]

I mean she's not wrong. Some people did vote against her because she is a woman. There are some people who voted for her because she is a woman.

All the people thumping their chests about the PC/SJW agenda need to realize that its when its retardedly extreme is why its bad, however there are plenty of things they advocate that, on a small scale, absolutely still occur. Rape culture and all that bullshit is a joke, but to pretend that sexism wasn't in play, at all, during this election is foolish. I'm not saying it was the primary reason she lost, I'm not even saying it was a big reason she lost, but it did contribute. I know people personally who didn't vote for her because she was a woman. And they thought a woman couldn't do as well as a man in that high stress of a job. They literally told that to me.

Just goes to show, once again, both extremes of SJWs and alt-right or whatever the fuck they wanna call themselves now after "alt-right" is synonymous with national embarrassment, are exactly the same.

Yeah it's one of the many reasons :

Not taking enough time for the angry white workers that Trump scooped up because she forgot to do it.
Too much attacking with the facts when Trump's base couldn't give a rats ass about any of those facts.

The only way to beat someone like Trump is go over the edge like himself and make him seem bland and neutral. If she had gone the crazy mode like Trump, she would have beat him fairly easily at his own game. USA has always been a sucker for sensation and drama in every aspect of their lives, and that's something Trump abused so easily and they were too blind to even notice it.

[Machismo]

Misogyny did play a role, but not a very big one. Most of the people who hated Hillary Clinton did not do so because she is a woman, but because she's a terrible human being. Most of the misogyny was actually centered around overlooking the shit Donald Trump was saying. When you are cheering on Donald Trump for the crap he was spewing out of his mouth about women, then you should probably take a look at yourself in the mirror.

That was not the biggest issue of the election, nor was it racism, nationalism, or Islamophobia. The biggest issue was the sheer amount of willful ignorance by the voters. People were believing far too much fake shit, and refusing to believe things that were actually real. Both parties were guilty of it, as were most voters. I look at my friends list on Facebook, and realize that a large percentage of those people are gullible fools. It's almost crazy how radicalized I saw people get in the span of months. I watched political stances shift extraordinarily fast. I saw moderate conservatives turn into Bernie-loving socialists, and apolitical people like my mother turn into rightwing zealots who consistently posted fake shit on Facebook, only to get pissed and angry when corrected. I had a libertarian friend who once wanted to legalize drugs and illegal immigration, to supporting extra-judicial murder of all drug dealers, and killing all illegal immigrants and Muslims in the country.

[Blobfish]

I think Tony Abbott has that honor.

Tony Abbot is a Champion Mate and should still be Aussie Prime Minister

Tony Abbott does so much for the community, like fighting bushfires and surf life saving.

Gillard had some crooks like C Thompson supporting her leftist regime.
She had done nothing. Shorten took her out. and Shorten could be as bad a Gillard.

Gillard could not handle Tony Abbot's very strong debating style & called Misogyny

[Perryn]

Gg so many people feeling she's speaking to them. When did "played a role" become "this is why I lost and it's your fault specifically"?

Just consider some of the comments on these forums, certainly it "played a role". Just like I'm sure she got a certain level of support primarily due to going for the "first female president".

Some of you guys are just itching for stuff to be triggered by.

[Very Tired]

Yeah it's one of the many reasons :

Not taking enough time for the angry white workers that Trump scooped up because she forgot to do it.
Too much attacking with the facts when Trump's base couldn't give a rats ass about any of those facts.

The only way to beat someone like Trump is go over the edge like himself and make him seem bland and neutral. If she had gone the crazy mode like Trump, she would have beat him fairly easily at his own game. USA has always been a sucker for sensation and drama in every aspect of their lives, and that's something Trump abused so easily and they were too blind to even notice it.

I think all she would have to do to win is come out and say: "Hey... white people are ok" But we know that would never happen.