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    How Much Does the GOP Base Worship Trump?

    Completely and totally, like dupes.

    These GOP hypocrites are all of a sudden even abandoning their tea party ideals to do it!

    ATLANTA — When Michael Fitzgerald, a local Republican leader, took a break from packing up the signs after a candidate forum here last week, he appeared momentarily flummoxed about the state of his party under President Trump.

    Early voting has already begun in a closely watched special House election to replace former Representative Tom Price, who became Mr. Trump’s health secretary, but in the suburbs north of Atlanta, few seem quite sure what exactly the party stands for now.

    “There are shades,” Mr. Fitzgerald finally said as he considered what it now meant to be a Republican. “Can I point to an individual and say, ‘Here’s your ideal conservative’?” He did not answer his own question, but he did not need to.

    Mr. Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party has blurred the bright-line ideological distinctions that defined the right for the past eight years. Driven more by personal loyalty and a ravenous appetite to win than by any fixed political philosophy, the deal-cutting president has been received warmly by some mainstream conservatives. At the same time, even ideological hard-liners who share the president’s pugilism but not his pragmatism have stuck by him because Mr. Trump has made the right enemies — and gleefully ridiculed them with public insults rarely heard from a president.

    These loyalties have upended the Tea Party-versus-establishment divide, which has dominated fratricidal primary seasons since 2010 but increasingly has the air of fins on the back of a car, a quaint relic from an earlier era. With Mr. Trump in charge, the political market for purity on the right has been devalued.

    “Because of the loyalty that the most conservative voters in our base have to Trump, there’s a pull there that’s scrambling the ideological lines,” said Andy Sere, a Republican ad man who has been heavily engaged in the party’s internecine wars. “He wants wins on the board, and that’s traditionally been the goal of the pragmatists.”


    The shifting conservative fault lines are on display in the affluent and mall-dotted northern suburbs of Atlanta, which were at the front end of the South’s political realignment in the 1970s when they turned away from their Democratic roots and elected a loquacious young college professor named Newt Gingrich to Congress.

    The special election on April 18 has drawn substantial attention because one of the Democrats running, Jon Ossoff, has raised a remarkable $8 million, and his success in a Republican-leaning district could presage a midterm backlash against Mr. Trump. (Voters will pick from candidates of both parties on a single ballot; if no one clears 50 percent, the top two finishers will advance to a runoff election.)

    But the way the Republican hopefuls are running is just as instructive. Even as they try to win over the sort of conservative activists dedicated enough to participate in a rare April election, the Republicans are casting themselves more as can-do pragmatists in the spirit of Mr. Trump than unwavering ideologues. At the forum and in individual interviews afterward, three of the Republicans in the 18-person field invoked some variation of Ronald Reagan’s maxim that it is better to get 80 percent of what you want than nothing at all.

    Few embraced the Tea Party moniker. And none of the highest-polling candidates pledged to join the Freedom Caucus, the hard-line conservative group whose uncompromising ideology helped derail Mr. Trump’s efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

    One of the leading Republican candidates, Karen Handel, even wore her practicality as a badge of honor, citing not just Reagan but also Margaret Thatcher’s “relentless incrementalism” credo.

    “Republican voters are expecting that we get down to business and deliver and do the job,” said Ms. Handel, a former Georgia secretary of state, failed Senate candidate and failed candidate for governor. This time around, she said, the expectations from the party base have shifted.

    Bob Gray, who calls himself an outsider and is a businessman supported by the conservative Club for Growth, played to type at the forum as he twice criticized Speaker Paul D. Ryan for having “failed” on the health care legislation. But in an interview, Mr. Gray allowed that he would have backed the House-drafted bill (which the Club for Growth opposed), shied away from the Tea Party label and sounded more like a furrowed-brow centrist than a fire-breathing conservative.

    “This is the problem with D.C.,” he said. “Everybody has retreated to their political corners with a jersey on. We need people like President Trump who want to go to D.C. and change the way they do business. The American people are tired of the bickering.”

    “The Republican primary voters rejected a purist ideologue when they chose Donald Trump over Ted Cruz,” said Debbie Dooley, chairwoman of the Atlanta Tea Party Patriots.

    Ms. Dooley’s frequently updated Facebook page is the stuff of a political scientist’s dreams, a nearly real-time look at the shifting sands of the Republican Party at the outset of the Trump era.

    “People began to want results, not platitudes,” Ms. Dooley said, conceding her own “evolution,” as she called it. “You still have some who are still purists, but the Trump train has left the station.”

    Republican swords have been sheathed well beyond this House race. Nine Republican senators are up for re-election next year, but there is little talk of the sort of primaries that terrified Republican lawmakers and convulsed the party during President Barack Obama’s administration. What talk there is has come from Mr. Trump’s backers, and is based on a perceived lack of fidelity to the president rather than on any ideological apostasy.

    Nowhere has the newly muddled nature of the party been more evident than in the fallout from the Republican failure to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Activists are angry over the display of dysfunction, but they are uncertain whom to turn their guns on. They will not blame Mr. Trump, because to fault him is to link arms with the left and an adversarial news media, a nonstarter in an era of tribal politics.

    Some on the right are tempted to point a finger at Mr. Ryan, a pillar of the pre-Trump party establishment, but that approach has been complicated by Mr. Trump’s decision to align himself with the speaker, both on the health care issue and more broadly.

    This leaves the Freedom Caucus. But these lawmakers, backed by an array of right-leaning outside groups, are some of the most dependably conservative members of Congress and were hailed for their steadfast opposition in the Obama years.

    “For eight years, the heroes in this movement were the Freedom Caucus members, and now they’re suddenly in the bad camp?” asked the Republican strategist Chip Lake, a touch of wonder in his voice. “It’s really confusing right now as a Republican to figure out who’s on first.”


    To Republican veterans, the turn toward half-a-loaf politics on the right does not represent any sort of great awakening, just activists aligning themselves with the preferences of a new president. The longer-term question is just how much Mr. Trump can tug the Republican electorate along with him if he decides to go further toward the center (or even left) than any of his Republican predecessors. [Trump is the most far right president in the modern history of the US, no one has been more obsessive about ripping away health insurance, gutting environmental and Wall Street regulations, and cutting taxes on the rich.]

    For now, Ralph Reed, a longtime Republican strategist who lives just outside this congressional district, said the bedrock of the Republican base will not abandon Mr. Trump.

    “The guy who is enemy of our enemy can’t be our enemy,” he said. “Trump is the only game in town.”

    Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/09/u...s-anymore.html
    Two days ago, SNL also made this point.
    Last edited by paralleluniverse; 2017-04-10 at 11:35 AM.

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    Well, I mean, they still worship Reagan. Did you really expect better of people that think trickle down economics is a functioning economic system?

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    Die hard Republicans still hardcore support him because he pisses off "liberals."

    It's too bad his favor with independents has been falling off a cliff.
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    From my perspective it is an uncle who was is a "simple" slat of the earth person, who has religous beliefs I may or may not fully agree with, but who in the end of the day wants to go hope, kiss his wife, and kids, and enjoy their company.
    Connal defending child molestation

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    Trump gave them a supreme court seat and might give them another in the future. They will support him as long as it takes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Trump gave them a supreme court seat and might give them another in the future. They will support him as long as it takes.
    A Supreme Court seat to help further fuck themselves over. Just like what happened with Citizens United. Such winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    A Supreme Court seat to help further fuck themselves over. Just like what happened with Citizens United. Such winning.
    Thats a pretty demeaning thing to say. How are transgender bathrooms and shutting down bakeries going to fix the rust bell exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Thats a pretty demeaning thing to say. How are transgender bathrooms and shutting down bakeries going to fix the rust bell exactly?
    ?????

    Citizens United was a court case that allowed corporations to legally bribe politicians that the conservative members of the Supreme Court ruled in favor of. Making the court conservative again is just going to continue fucking over the rust belt if the court makes more decisions like that.

    Has nothing to do with bathrooms or bakeries.

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    Principles are a hinderance to tax cuts and deregulation.

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    I mean he is a God Emperor and false idol of the lord Kek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post
    Completely and totally, like dupes.

    These GOP hypocrites are all of a sudden even abandoning their tea party ideals to do it!


    Two days ago, SNL also made this point.
    I wish Hillary would have won just so I would see less stupid threads like these. You get your political perspective form SNL, this explains a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I wish Hillary would have won just so I would see less stupid threads like these. You get your political perspective form SNL, this explains a lot.
    We'd be talking about pedophiles and pizza... so no... it would be just as idiotic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    We'd be talking about pedophiles and pizza... so no... it would be just as idiotic.
    Except mods shut down those shit post rather quickly, also Trump winning didn't stop those post.

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    Far less than the left worshiped Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I wish Hillary would have won just so I would see less stupid threads like these. You get your political perspective form SNL, this explains a lot.
    Reading ain't your thing is it.....Captain Totally "Independant".........

    They didn't get their opinion from SNL, merely pointed out even they made that obvious observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogguh View Post
    Far less than the left worshiped Obama.
    lol, alternative facts strike again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Reading ain't your thing is it.....Captain Totally "Independant".........

    They didn't get their opinion from SNL, merely pointed out even they made that obvious observation.

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    lol, alternative facts strike again.
    The fact that you endorse this thread just shows what a terrible thread it is.

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    If you want to discuss this, do it without the insults to the GOP. That's just going to lead to bad places

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