Legion - Assassination Discussion

[Cmx]

is there some answer or something to qestion "where to put another trait point in old traits? its still Master Assasin trait? Like everyone say, max MA to 7/7 with new Kingsbane golden trait?"

[TwentyTwelve]

The old poisen bomb did atleast consistent damage... ranging from 5 to 10%.
Now pb does... most times 0 ZERO to 4% if your realy lucky it does 6% or more.

I liked the old rppm version much more... i dont care for rupture procing pb on mythic+

Surely you're over reacting here? Checking logs from last night for me PB did over 4% of my damage on pretty much all the fights. I mean i can understand if you're using your finishers at low CP.

[Elyzibeth]

Surely you're over reacting here? Checking logs from last night for me PB did over 4% of my damage on pretty much all the fights. I mean i can understand if you're using your finishers at low CP.

Most of the time when I see the "BOT never procs" I ask if they're still doing the old, get a few bleeds up and then FOK > envenom spam fishing for BOT procs and they say yea...and I say "knock it off, that's why you can't get crap to proc!".

I'm assuming that people are adjusting to the new way it procs and that they're making sure to build to 4+ CPs before they use rupture or envenom to fish for their BOT proc. I have seen nothing but benefit since the chance went live, but I don't use finishers at less than 4 CPs either unless I absolutely have to in order to keep a key bleed up that I let get too low due to mechanics etc.

I went back and checked my logs from last week and all the logs look in line with 7%+ of my damage. There are of course some outliers doing 9%+, and 3% plus, but RNG is RNG, the majority fall in 7%-9%. If you're basing it's performance on a fight that last 1:20, it's not really a fair baseline.

[ymirsson]

I went back and checked my logs from last week and all the logs look in line with 7%+ of my damage. There are of course some outliers doing 9%+, and 3% plus, but RNG is RNG, the majority fall in 7%-9%. If you're basing it's performance on a fight that last 1:20, it's not really a fair baseline.

This. An infinite amount of times this. Anecdotal evidence is just anecdotal.

[Deleted]

guys I still need to know how to mythic+ do I pick agonizing poison or not how many targets do I rupture h e l p m e

[Elyzibeth]

guys I still need to know how to mythic+ do I pick agonizing poison or not how many targets do I rupture h e l p m e

Machine,
Your best bet in my opinion is to go Alacrity, run deadly poison, do your best to finish pulls with an envenom to refresh the AL stack timer. Spec into subterfuge, open with 2-3 garrotes on different targets, FOK's or mutilate to 4+ CP's and spread ruptures on 2-3 targets if they'll live a decent amount of time (make sure anything that has a bleed, is also poisoned so you get energy back). The longer you think mobs will live, the more 4+ CP ruptures I would spread. If they're going to die super fast, I'd use envenoms since the rupture won't have time to do damage. It's as easy as that.

[Hashcrypt]

So could someone give me the pros and cons of Sin rogue vs Feral druid?

[Roivon]

I'm stuck with less than ideal equipment. My equipped level has me at 891 but overall I can get up to 900. The problem is I'm hamstrung with Kil'Jaden and other gear will boost my Vers/Haste over Mastery/Crit. Should I stay as is until these items are correctly replaced or just pump up my ilvl as high as I can regardless? I'd lose about 5% crit to 28% and mastery would drop from 140% to about 128%.

[Elyzibeth]

I'm stuck with less than ideal equipment. My equipped level has me at 891 but overall I can get up to 900. The problem is I'm hamstrung with Kil'Jaden and other gear will boost my Vers/Haste over Mastery/Crit. Should I stay as is until these items are correctly replaced or just pump up my ilvl as high as I can regardless? I'd lose about 5% crit to 28% and mastery would drop from 140% to about 128%.

Stats > Item level

Stick with what you know is right, Item level will come with time. If you jump on the "item level band wagon" you're going to find yourself getting your ass kicked by rogues 10 item level less than you, and if you're at all a warcraft log follower, you're going to be parsing like crap. In my last guild, we had a rogue that went for item levels first, he had me by more than 10 levels, and I was consistently beating him by over 100k dps most fights.

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So could someone give me the pros and cons of Sin rogue vs Feral druid?

Easier, more frequent cool downs, and better dps for less work.

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Machine,
Your best bet in my opinion is to go Alacrity, run deadly poison, do your best to finish pulls with an envenom to refresh the AL stack timer. Spec into subterfuge, open with 2-3 garrotes on different targets, FOK's or mutilate to 4+ CP's and spread ruptures on 2-3 targets if they'll live a decent amount of time (make sure anything that has a bleed, is also poisoned so you get energy back). The longer you think mobs will live, the more 4+ CP ruptures I would spread. If they're going to die super fast, I'd use envenoms since the rupture won't have time to do damage. It's as easy as that.

This made running mythics a lot less painful, thanks a bunch. Though I still feel like it's either poison bombs or bust most of the time, ST is mostly good. Can't have everything I guess

[Won7on]

So do you guys hold KB for Vendetta? SimC suggests that with Boots and 7 ranks in MA, Vendetta is a 40 sec CD, while KB is 31.5, which seems like a long wait. But 3 KBs buffed by Vendetta seems better than 4 mis-aligned ones that don't get the full buff.

[elfporn]

So do you guys hold KB for Vendetta? SimC suggests that with Boots and 7 ranks in MA, Vendetta is a 40 sec CD, while KB is 31.5, which seems like a long wait. But 3 KBs buffed by Vendetta seems better than 4 mis-aligned ones that don't get the full buff.

it all comes down to envenom uptime and energy use/regen. (obviously)

I've been trying to increase CD redux of both, example is that on krosus this week, i was able to align, 1, 4, 5, 6, and 8th vendetta/kb. 4/6 were slightly partial.

So out of 8 vendettas, i matched up 5 to kb. i only delayed on the 8th because i was about to align vanish, kb, vendetta, and DoS. (i waited on DoS)

edit: 5:44 killtime

[permp]

I was joking about this in raid last night. Assassination is now combat. All of my cooldowns are basically on restless blades. I consume energy to reduce Vendetta, attack to reduce KB, and have random COF procs.

I just dont understand blizzard mind just look on the top rankings rougues and the only difference is pure RNG procs on NBF and BoT.

My ST dps is 733k and with luck on NBF only it goes to 800k+ and that is just depressing

Other thing that is bothering me is that we are "pure ST" class and at least 3 other classes are doing better or the same in raid.

[Deleted]

it all comes down to envenom uptime and energy use/regen. (obviously)

I've been trying to increase CD redux of both, example is that on krosus this week, i was able to align, 1, 4, 5, 6, and 8th vendetta/kb. 4/6 were slightly partial.

So out of 8 vendettas, i matched up 5 to kb. i only delayed on the 8th because i was about to align vanish, kb, vendetta, and DoS. (i waited on DoS)

edit: 5:44 killtime

Well, i noticed the same on Krosus. But it just had one reason, i had to hold off KB when adds where coming or when the bridge got destroyed. Yes, then i was able to lign up with Vendetta. But is it the real purpose of our new golden trait and is useful then? I dont think so. Your KB's CD is reduced but u just cant use it due to boss mechanics which makes it absolutely underperforming. Well, actually you could use it, but it wouldnt make any sense. Thus i decided to invest my 43th point into envenom's dmg rather than MA. Theoretically 7/7 MA should be the way to go but since you are very dependend on several boss mechanics which make the direct use of KB and Vendetta impossible, i better invest into envenom/rupture first, before going for MA.

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I just dont understand blizzard mind just look on the top rankings rougues and the only difference is pure RNG procs on NBF and BoT.

My ST dps is 733k and with luck on NBF only it goes to 800k+ and that is just depressing

Other thing that is bothering me is that we are "pure ST" class and at least 3 other classes are doing better or the same in raid.

True that. It became about praying to RNGesus. Top parses on warcraftlogs are dominated by rogues with proper BoT proccing. Same for NBF, which even gives are more RNG. I had several logs when NBF didnt even proc once in the whole fight. On my last week's log from Krosus M, it didnt even proc once in 6 minutes.

[skindown]

For those who don't have shoulders, I ask you to try out on one or two raid nights using Deeper Stratagem instead of Vigor, that gave me the tad bit deeps I needed to catch up to the shoulder user rogue on my guild ( I don't have shoulders ) and even get ahead of him

[kwaky]

Between Dreadlord's Deceit and Prydaz, which would you use? Prydaz has a ton of secondary stats but would the cape be a dps increase if I use FoV whenever it reaches 30 stacks?

Also, if I don't have legendary shoulders, is it worth using draught if I have a higher ilvl trinket from a dungeon? (Like serpentrix or angerboda or even just a WQ stat stick)

[Deleted]

For those who don't have shoulders, I ask you to try out on one or two raid nights using Deeper Stratagem instead of Vigor, that gave me the tad bit deeps I needed to catch up to the shoulder user rogue on my guild ( I don't have shoulders ) and even get ahead of him

You realy cant compare live fights, because of PB bota and so on proc luck.

[Deleted]

You realy cant compare live fights, because of PB bota and so on proc luck.

Very true. Back in the days you really could compare urself with other rogues in your raid. You were discussing stuff after raids when the dps was so much different because it was then mostly related to bad rotations or lack of knowledge. Nowadays its like opening warcraftlogs and just comparing BotA / BoT and NBF. You can pull off your best rotation with nice KB, CP and Energy management, but if RNGesus hates you, your log will suck, it is as simple as that. Without BotA/BoT and BF procs your dps is still decent but you can't compete with top parsing rogues.

[Deleted]

How up to date is shadowcraft? Is it a tool I can replace simcraft with?

[eps]

would you guys get gushing wound or toxic blades are your 44 traits (shoulders/wrist legendaries)?

currently using 3MA relics so I'm just curious what you guys would do.

I was leaning towards toxic blades only cause I'm running NS and vanish > env