UK PM Theresa May to seek snap election.

[Deleted]

This is probably win-win for Labour in all honesty. Either Corbyn wins the election, or Labour get a new leader. Either scenario works for them.

[DarkAmbient]

This is probably win-win for Labour in all honesty. Either Corbyn wins the election, or Labour get a new leader. Either scenario works for them.

Either way they're going to be out of power for another 10 years.

[paralleluniverse]

If the UK overwhelmingly votes for Theresa May and Tory austerity, as every indication shows they are likely to do, then they deserve to suffer the economic pain of austerity, having their jobs destroyed, public services decimated while letting the rich off with more tax cuts.

Let the economic decline begin. No sympathy.

[Thalassian Bob]

Labour will suffer its worst defeat since before WW2. At least the useless Corbyn will finally be gone.

My sentiments exactly.

A snap election now provides May with a democratic mandate for her leadership and gives her the authority to lead the UK in its departure from the EU.

Plus, it forces Labour to take a long, hard look in the mirror and realise how completely irrelevant they have become with Corbyn at their head. If they had any sense, they would appoint Kate Hoey as leader of the opposition, an Labour MP who supported Brexit, something she could hold over previously Remainer Theresa May. It would probably win Labour back some working-class confidence as well for Labour to have a Brexiteer as their leader.

[Deleted]

The worst thing to happen to the labour party was picking Ed Miliband over David and their slide to the left. It's a decision that will when all is said and done have made them politically irrelevant for 20 years.

FYI the Conservative party have moved a lot to the left in the last 20 years too, they were forced to after being suffocated by Blairism.

[Huehuecoyotl]

PS: who fucked the banks? Oh yeah Labour. Thanks.

I would suggest that you educate yourself, if you think it was Labour that fucked the banks. It was the banks that fucked the banks, by being excessively capitalist. They got greedy, did the kind of stupid things that greedy people do when they are chasing money and didn't realise that it could all go wrong until it did. The only thing that Labour did was to step in and stop the whole thing collapsing, which it came damn close to doing.

Still, at least the Tories have stepped in during the 7 years they have been in power and sorted out the financial situation, haven't they? After all, they were elected in 2010 promising that they would have it all taken care of by 2015. Except they didn't, their solutions haven't worked and in the meantime they have borrowed more money than every Labour government in history combined.

Still, I'm sure the Tories have put in place controls that insure that this sort of banking problem couldn't happen again? What, you mean they haven't? But I keep hearing that the Tories are the party of economic responsibility, that they are the party we can trust to run things properly. Are you telling me that despite the great crash being so recent in our experiences, that they haven't even done anything about stopping it from happening again?

It's almost as if the party was funded by the banks, and run for their personal benefit, isn't it?

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Either way they're going to be out of power for another 10 years.

In the grand scheme of things, not a long time.

[Deleted]

RIP Jeremy Corbyn

[paralleluniverse]

I'm just trying to figure out Irelands political system, I'm not an expert. I have one socialist telling me Ireland is a socialist country with a perfect model for others to follow. I have another telling me they're a capitalist country that needed bailing out by another capitalist country and this is an example of why capitalism is bad. I'm very confused.

The reason GB had to bail out Greece, Spain et al is because we were forced to, gun against temple, by the Union to which we will no longer belong.

PS: who fucked the banks? Oh yeah Labour. Thanks.

The UK had NOTHING to do with the Greece, Spain bailouts. That was done by Eurozone countries of which the UK is not a member and contributed nothing. Get your facts right, dumbass.

And no, Labour did not "fuck the banks". Bank deregulation enabled the banks to bet on toxic derivatives that went bad when the US housing bubble burst, causing the global financial crisis. The Conservatives wanted to deregulate the banks even further before the crisis, i.e. make the global financial crisis worse.

[durrtygoodz]

I would suggest that you educate yourself, if you think it was Labour that fucked the banks. It was the banks that fucked the banks, by being excessively capitalist. They got greedy, did the kind of stupid things that greedy people do when they are chasing money and didn't realise that it could all go wrong until it did. The only thing that Labour did was to step in and stop the whole thing collapsing, which it came damn close to doing.

Still, at least the Tories have stepped in during the 7 years they have been in power and sorted out the financial situation, haven't they? After all, they were elected in 2010 promising that they would have it all taken care of by 2015. Except they didn't, their solutions haven't worked and in the meantime they have borrowed more money than every Labour government in history combined.

Still, I'm sure the Tories have put in place controls that insure that this sort of banking problem couldn't happen again? What, you mean they haven't? But I keep hearing that the Tories are the party of economic responsibility, that they are the party we can trust to run things properly. Are you telling me that despite the great crash being so recent in our experiences, that they haven't even done anything about stopping it from happening again?

It's almost as if the party was funded by the banks, and run for their personal benefit, isn't it?

You love the word greed don't you. You know what, you've convinced me. Let's get rid of money, let's kill the rich and all live happily ever after. Let's take magic mushrooms and dance around the campfire in grass skirts.

The UK had NOTHING to do with the Greece, Spain, Ireland bailouts. That was done by Eurozone countries of which the UK is not a member and contributed nothing. Get your facts right, dumbass.

And no Labour did not "fuck the banks". Bank deregulation caused the banks to bet on toxic derivatives that went bad when the US housing bubble bust, causing the global financial crisis. The Conservatives wanted to deregulation banks even further before the crisis.

Stopped reading when you insulted me. Socialists are just terrible at rational debate aren't they?

[BloodyAngel12]

Corbyn is stepping down

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If the UK overwhelmingly votes for Theresa May and Tory austerity, as every indication shows they are likely to do, then they deserve to suffer the economic pain of austerity, having their jobs destroyed, public services decimated while letting the rich off with more tax cuts.

Let the economic decline begin. No sympathy.

What the alternative? A fractured Labour? Lib Dem (can't even say that with a straight face).

A big part of the problem here is that the Political system doesnt have something that represents the modern middle / working class people. Labour are more about equal rights than they are about solving actual problems. Lib dems proved they cant be trusted after the student fee incident, meaning the only options were either UKIP (the racist homophobes) or Tory.

I actually find it hillarious that people insult Corbyn when he is the only current member of the labor party who has the values in line with the ORIGINAL meaning of the labor party of the early 1900's.

[Deleted]

You love the word greed don't you. You know what, you've convinced me. Let's get rid of money, let's kill the rich and all live happily ever after. Let's take magic mushrooms and dance around the campfire in grass skirts.



Stopped reading when you insulted me. Socialists are just terrible at rational debate aren't they?

It's at that point they become communists and send dissenters to the gulags. There is no debate if everyone sings the same tune!

[paralleluniverse]

You love the word greed don't you. You know what, you've convinced me. Let's get rid of money, let's kill the rich and all live happily ever after. Let's take magic mushrooms and dance around the campfire in grass skirts.



Stopped reading when you insulted me. Socialists are just terrible at rational debate aren't they?

Oh look, right-wing snowflake can't handle the fact that I pointed out he's a bullshitter. He can't defend his indefensible lie, because it's not true, instead he resorts to tone policing!

This is a lie: " The reason GB had to bail out Greece, Spain et al is because we were forced to, gun against temple, by the Union to which we will no longer belong."

You should apologize for misleading readers with your lie.

[Deleted]

Fingers crossed this backfires horribly on May and her lizard pals, and everyone finally sees what they are doing to anyone that isn't rich in this country. An electoral wipe-out of that crew of slimeballs would be a welcome tonic after the political nonsense of recent times.

I remember Lizard people.



Corbyn's the only good thing about labour at the moment.

[Kalis]

The UK had NOTHING to do with the Greece, Spain, Ireland bailouts. That was done by Eurozone countries of which the UK is not a member and contributed nothing. Get your facts right, dumbass.

The UK helped bailout both Ireland and Portugal, we struck a deal to make sure we did not have to help with Greece and Spain directly. However we did contribute €4.5bn to the IMF that helped with the bailouts of Greece and Spain.

We also helped Ireland out separately, though that was of our own accord.

[durrtygoodz]

Oh look, right-wing snowflake can't handle the fact that I pointed out he's a bullshitter. He can't defend his indefensible lie, because it's not true, instead he resorts to tone policing!

No, I'm only interested in actual discussion. Attacking my character is a fallacy I won't respond to.

I'm also not right wing, I'm just anti-left. Whoever stands against socialism, globalisation, and open borders, I vote AGAINST.

[Huehuecoyotl]

You love the word greed don't you. You know what, you've convinced me. Let's get rid of money, let's kill the rich and all live happily ever after. Let's take magic mushrooms and dance around the campfire in grass skirts.



Stopped reading when you insulted me. Socialists are just terrible at rational debate aren't they?

Rational debate would take place with someone with knowledge of the subject at hand, or a willingness to learn. You have taken up your position that socialism is an evil thing, and when your ignorance is flagged up to you your response is to overreact (your response to me) or feign hurt (your response to Paralleluniverse).

If you want to debate, then admit that your earlier points were based on false information, and adjust your viewpoint accordingly. Because if you don't, then clearly you aren't after debate, you just want someone to tell you that you're right. There are right-wing echo chambers that are more likely to provide that for you, perhaps you would do better in such a "safe space"?

[AeneasBK]

Didn't we have to bail out the ENTIRE banking system a lot more recently than that? Because the economy was utterly, royally fucked? Wait, wasn't that effectively a socialist bailout of the entire capitalist system? Hmm, that can't be right, can it?

Please, feel free to explain how that fits into your view of socialism. Shouldn't we have just left capitalism to collapse, because that would have been the capitalist response to the situation?

I'm not sure this is the right place for this sort of comment.

[Medusa Cascade]

@Kalis any chance I can convince you to vote yellow?