UK PM Theresa May to seek snap election.

[durrtygoodz]

If you want to debate, then admit that your earlier points were based on false information, and adjust your viewpoint accordingly. Because if you don't, then clearly you aren't after debate, you just want someone to tell you that you're right. There are right-wing echo chambers that are more likely to provide that for you, perhaps you would do better in such a "safe space"?

I don't know why you insist on bringing up words like snowflake and safe space constantly. Tell me what I'm incorrect about, with sources, and without insulting me. I dare you.

[paralleluniverse]

What the alternative? A fractured Labour? Lib Dem (can't even say that with a straight face).

The alternative is ending Tory austerity with Jeremy Corbyn.

Unless you want to live in a right-wing hellhole where economic evidence is ignored, services are cut, the rich get tax cuts, and all the problems are scapegoated onto immigrants.

And fractured? What an idiotic retort. Do you see any Americans say they can't vote for Trump because the Republicans are "fractured"? Get a fucking spine and focus on policy not media-hyped drama.

[Kalis]

I don't know why you insist on bringing up words like snowflake and safe space constantly. Tell me what I'm incorrect about, with sources, and without insulting me. I dare you.

You were correct in that we had to help with the bailouts due to being in the EU, but we had an agreement not to have to help with any more before we voted for Brexit.

"The first question to answer is how much the UK has paid towards the eurozone bailouts so far.

The UK has provided a total of €6.5bn (£5bn) via the EU for two bailouts: €3bn for Ireland in November 2010 and €3.5bn for Portugal in May 2011.

With both Ireland and Portugal now out of their bailout programmes, the UK has not lost any money supporting them at the peak of the crisis.

The UK has not made a contribution via the EU for the other eurozone bailouts: the three Greek ones, in 2010, 2012 and 2015 and for the Spain and Cyprus bailouts in 2012.

The UK has made further contributions, not because it was forced to do so by the EU, but because the IMF too provided loans for some of the bailouts. The UK's share of whatever the IMF provides is around 4.5% of the total. It amounts to around €4.5bn for all seven bailout mentioned.

In addition, in 2010, the UK provided €3.9bn in bilateral bailout loans to its neighbour and important trading partner - Ireland."

[durrtygoodz]

And fractured? What an idiotic retort. Do you see any Americans say they can't vote for Trump because the Republicans are "fractured"? Get a fucking spine and focus on policy not media-hyped drama.

Labour being fractured isn't media drama it's true. The party is completely split about the direction of the party. After Corbyn was elected the entire party has spent the better part of a year crying and squabbling among themselves.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I don't know why you insist on bringing up words like snowflake and safe space constantly. Tell me what I'm incorrect about, with sources, and without insulting me. I dare you.

You said that Labour caused the 2008 banking crash. You stated that as a fact. So the ball is in your court to provide sources to back that up, explaining how the UK government caused a global financial crash that started with the sub-prime mortgage market in the US.

There you go, no insults, just a reference to a statement that you made earlier in this thread that I believe to be wrong. Now find the sources to back up your viewpoint, or feel free to retract it. Either is fine with me.

[Pua]

As usual, Stuart Campbell largely sums it up.

Theresa May has got absolutely nothing to win by doing this, which means something else is going on. Labour aren't going to fall much further than they have already, the Liberal Democrats are likely to do much better than the last time, and little will change in Scotland.

[durrtygoodz]

You were correct in that we had to help with the bailouts due to being in the EU, but we had an agreement not to have to help with any more before we voted for Brexit.
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Thanks for the interesting read. I knew I could count on you to actually educate rather than just scream obscenities.

[XDurionX]

She wants confirmation before the actual consequences of Brexit kick in, that's obvious.

[paralleluniverse]

No, I'm only interested in actual discussion. Attacking my character is a fallacy I won't respond to.

I'm also not right wing, I'm just anti-left. Whoever stands against socialism, globalisation, and open borders, I vote AGAINST.

You're the one who is refusing to have a discussion and desperately using tone policing to deflect from the fact that you've been caught in a lie. Can't have a discussion with a right-wing snowflake who is too ignorant to get even basic facts right, spouts a lie and refuses to correct it.

Lie: " The reason GB had to bail out Greece, Spain et al is because we were forced to, gun against temple, by the Union to which we will no longer belong."

Unless you're going to step up and apologize for lying, don't bother.

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The reason GB had to bail out Greece, Spain et al is because we were forced to, gun against temple, by the Union to which we will no longer belong.

UK did not participate in Spain's recapitalization.
UK does participate in EFMS. And Greece was loaned a portion in their bailout. Non-EZ members, as is the UK, will be provided with liquid collateral amounting to their full exposure in case of a default (House of Commons' scrutiny).
"El at" amounts to Ireland and Portugal, which the UK willfully agreed to bailout.

[Kalis]

As usual, Stuart Campbell largely sums it up.

Theresa May has got absolutely nothing to win by doing this, which means something else is going on. Labour aren't going to fall much further than they have already, the Liberal Democrats are likely to do much better than the last time, and little will change in Scotland.

She can get a 100+ seat majority, which would silence any lingering doubts about her legitimacy to oversee the country and Brexit.

[durrtygoodz]

You're the one who is refusing to have a discussion desperately using tone policing to deflect from the fact that you've been caught in a lie. Can't have a discussion with a right-wing snowflake who is too ignorant to get basic even fact rights, spouts lies and refuses to correct them.

Hahaha. Yet again! You literally can't write one civil post. But what more should I expect from someone who's pinned post on twitter is one calling voters he doesn't agree with "deplorables".

[DarkAmbient]

As usual, Stuart Campbell largely sums it up.

Theresa May has got absolutely nothing to win by doing this, which means something else is going on. Labour aren't going to fall much further than they have already, the Liberal Democrats are likely to do much better than the last time, and little will change in Scotland.

What a ridiculous article. It begins with the absurd assumption that May was unaware of the process of triggering an election under the terms of the Fixed Parliament act, despite her referring to it during her speech.

It then goes on to say she has nothing to gain. Apart from, you know, a large majority, a strong personal mandate, and a stronger negotiating position for Brexit talks.

[Kalis]

You're the one who is refusing to have a discussion and desperately using tone policing to deflect from the fact that you've been caught in a lie. Can't have a discussion with a right-wing snowflake who is too ignorant to get even basic facts right, spouts a lie and refuses to correct it.

Lie: " The reason GB had to bail out Greece, Spain et al is because we were forced to, gun against temple, by the Union to which we will no longer belong."

Unless you're going to step up and apologize for lying, don't bother.

You said:

The UK had NOTHING to do with the Greece, Spain, Ireland bailouts. That was done by Eurozone countries of which the UK is not a member and contributed nothing. Get your facts right, dumbass.

We did have to bailout Ireland though, so why did you lie?

Get your facts right.

[Valerean]

If you apply the current polling to the BBC's electoral calculator, you get the Conservatives walking away with a 206 seat majority.

Not that reality is ever that simple though...


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€4.5bn to the IMF that helped with the bailouts of Greece and Spain.

I think that figure is the 4.5% that UK contributes?.
The IMF did not involve itself on the Spanish recapitalization though.

[Kalis]

@Kalis any chance I can convince you to vote yellow?

Out of pity?

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In all honesty mentioning IMF bailouts is kind of beside the point isn't it? Every country that participates in the IMF was part of every bailout the IMF has conducted. I mean you probably contributed to Argentina as well.

The UK contributed to Portugal and Ireland via the EU, all of them via the IMF and via a bilateral agreement with Ireland. The person said we did not contribute to the Irish bailout, but we did three ways, one of which was due to the EU.

[Noradin]

No, I'm only interested in actual discussion. Attacking my character is a fallacy I won't respond to.

I'm also not right wing, I'm just anti-left. Whoever stands against socialism, globalisation, and open borders, I vote AGAINST.

You disguise yourself well, then, I don't think anyone could tell before you told us.

[Medusa Cascade]

Out of pity?

Your words wound me

[Dizzeeyooo]

What a ridiculous article. It begins with the absurd assumption that May was unaware of the process of triggering an election under the terms of the Fixed Parliament act, despite her referring to it during her speech

nope, it makes the point that she can't personally decide to hold an election whenever she wants, she has to get a 2/3 majority in parliament first - as the article mentions, something "she probably will but can’t yet count on"