Kosovo vs Crimea

[Cerilis]

America participated in the Serbia-Kosovo conflict, and they also supported the same kind of referendum there as there was in Crimea.

The difference is... oh right, there isn't any.

But I thought we already had figured the difference in time out... with those 10 years and stuff...?

So, Crimeans should be allowed to be independent, but not join Russia?

If we allow them to determine their own future by holding an independence referendum, why not allow them to determine whether or not they want to be part of another country? What's the difference?

... lol

Well, I didnt say that. But you gotta agree, it's kinda fishy when that country they joined also solely supplied the ...ahem.. peace keeping forces.

[Deleted]

So you'd be okay with the US annexing Canada?

No, annex Puerto Rico instead of taking a bigger bite than what you can chew.

[Deleted]

But I thought we already had figured the difference in time out... with those 10 years and stuff...?



Well, I didnt say that. But you gotta agree, it's kinda fishy when that country they joined also solely supplied the ...ahem.. peace keeping forces.

The 10 years is the time difference between the Kosovo-Serbian conflict and the Kosovo referendum. It was a peaceful time in-between.

America also had forces in Kosovo.

[callipygoustp]

I really feel sorry for you.

Not as sorry as I feel for you! smiley smiley smiley

But, really, don't feel sorry for me. After all, you are helping to prove my point over and over again. Granted, my prediction was ridiculously easy to make.

[Ausr]

America participated in the Serbia-Kosovo conflict, and they also supported the same kind of referendum there as there was in Crimea.

The difference is... oh right, there isn't any.

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So, Crimeans should be allowed to be independent, but not join Russia?

If we allow them to determine their own future by holding an independence referendum, why not allow them to determine whether or not they want to be part of another country? What's the difference?

... lol

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I really feel sorry for you.

Didn't answer anything to my quote so are you Ulmita 2.0?

[Deleted]

Didn't answer anything to my quote so are you Ulmita 2.0?

Actually, I did. Go read what you wrote. It was a bunch of nonsense that I replied to.

[Ausr]

Actually, I did. Go read what you wrote. It was a bunch of nonsense that I replied to.

So yes, you're Ulmita 2.0

Thank you for confirming it. Won't bother with that mess again.

[Deleted]

Not as sorry as I feel for you! smiley smiley smiley

But, really, don't feel sorry for me. After all, you are helping to prove my point over and over again. Granted, my prediction was ridiculously easy to make.

You are experiencing cognitive dissonance. I think you should get some sleep and maybe let it go away.

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So yes, you're Ulmita 2.0

Thank you for confirming it. Won't bother with that mess again.

Well whoever Ulmita is, if the version 1.0 managed to tick you off, I consider it an honour to be version 2.0.

[callipygoustp]

You are experiencing cognitive dissonance. I think you should get some sleep and maybe let it go away.

You are the king of making up random comments. On the plus side, I see you've proven my initial point a couple times again. $$$$$

So easy!

[Machismo]

No, the soldiers didn't take the land without a referendum. They secured the voices of the people. Nothing else. Kinda similar to the UN peace-keeping troops. You can call them invaders, but they aren't there to occupy land for the sake of violating territorial sovereignty.

Sure, you can say that the referendum in Crimea is illegal. That's entirely irrelevant. The thread isn't about the legality of it, but the principle. Kosovo was illegal as well.

The soldiers were there long before the referendum, so they were an invasion force.

The referendum was illegal, so once again, Russia stole land and people against their will. What an injustice!!!

You must be outraged.

[Independent voter]

Nobody annexed Kosovo, it's a country. The Russians took Crimea.

[Deleted]

You are the king of making up random comments. On the plus side, I see you've proven my initial point a couple times again. $$$$$

So easy!

You really are experiencing cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, you know America is a wonderful, perfectly moral country, and on the other hand, you just learned that it is doing exactly what its evil enemies are doing. In fact, worse: America set the standards for them so they could do what they do without regret.

[Deleted]

Nobody annexed Kosovo, it's a country. The Russians took Crimea.

Keep believing that. Trump should just give up on demanding it to be returned, because it's not gonna happen.

[Deleted]

The soldiers were there long before the referendum, so they were an invasion force.

The referendum was illegal, so once again, Russia stole land and people against their will. What an injustice!!!

You must be outraged.

They were only invasive to the extent that they wanted to create the right conditions for a referendum.

Had Serbia tried to create unrest and block Kosovans from their referendum, the West would get involved as well.

Not doing good so far on the spot-the-difference game, but you have many more rounds to go!

[Machismo]

You really are experiencing cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, you know America is a wonderful, perfectly moral country, and on the other hand, you just learned that it is doing exactly what its evil enemies are doing. In fact, worse: America set the standards for them so they could do what they do without regret.

You are literally doing the exact same thing you accuse the other poster of doing... I love the hypocrisy.

[Deleted]

Nobody annexed Kosovo, it's a country. The Russians took Crimea.

Crimeans voted to be independent and join Russia. That is in principle the same as only voting to be independent.

What part of international law says a territory that acquires sovereignty cannot join another country, even at the same time that they proclaim independence?

[Machismo]

They were only invasive to the extent that they wanted to create the right conditions for a referendum.

Had Serbia tried to create unrest and block Kosovans from their referendum, the West would get involved as well.

Not doing good so far on the spot-the-difference game, but you have many more rounds to go!

So, they invaded, which you have admitted. Thanks.

It was an illegal referendum and they stole land... once again, thanks for agreeing with me. How outraged are you by such an injustice?

[Deleted]

You are literally doing the exact same thing you accuse the other poster of doing... I love the hypocrisy.

Not at all. I say here that countries act the same, but Americans and Western Europeans disagree. The difference between me and them is that I recognize countries tend to do what they like, not what is good. But my opposition here believes otherwise, namely that America simply does things for the sake of humanity.

It is laughable.

[callipygoustp]

You really are experiencing cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, you know America is a wonderful, perfectly moral country, and on the other hand, you just learned that it is doing exactly what its evil enemies are doing. In fact, worse: America set the standards for them so they could do what they do without regret.

Ah, thats cute: you're making up things randomly, and out thin air, now. Looks a bit desparate.

You should stick to your OP: you know, the OP that requested a discussion that did not involve significant differences so that a true and honest discussion could be had. I'd like you to support my expectations a few more times before the thread disappears into depth of the general-OT forum.

Edit:

I have a feeling this thread will devolve into nothing more than "No no no, don't look at those differences. Now, tell me what differences there are!"

$$$$$ cha-fucking-ching you proved me right again Mirkzat. TY sir!

[Tijuana]

I really tend to get amused when Western Europeans and Americans criticized Russia for holding a referendum in Crimea and recognising it. I just have one question to you: Exactly what did Russia do that is in principle not the same as what America and the West did by recognizing an independent Kosovo?

America is an occupying force is Kosovo? That's news to me...