The Trumpcare Zombie Rises From the Grave: Trump Desperate For A Win Before 100 Days!

[Felya]

Stay a bias shit hole

That's a great name for a B&B...

[Bullettime]

Stay a bias shit hole

This isn't even being biased at all. Spicer even couldn't come up with an actual victory for the first 100. He's trying desperately to ram through an even worse version of the healthcare bill that he feels will get Republican support while at the same time threatening the Dems to support it or he'll EO the care subsidies out of existence that keep the ACA afloat.

[Tinykong]

I, for one, am looking forward to returning to the days where people filed bankruptcy because of medical conditions that they suffered through no fault of their own, and people dying from a lack of adequate medical care.

People who are poor unlucky sick are just lazy.

[Traveler Voltin]

This isn't even being biased at all. Spicer even couldn't come up with an actual victory for the first 100. He's trying desperately to ram through an even worse version of the healthcare bill that he feels will get Republican support while at the same time threatening the Dems to support it or he'll EO the care subsidies out of existence that keep the ACA afloat.

Stupid shit happens.
But this places always devolves into the same circle jerk when it has anything to do with trump or republicans

[Underverse]

Stupid shit happens.
But this places always devolves into the same circle jerk when it has anything to do with trump or republicans

There aren't always two sides to a story.

[cubby]

Trump is desperately ramming through this death trap that will rip insurance from 24M people because he fears the media will slam him for having no legislative accomplishment by the totally arbitrary and vacuous 100 day mark!

So callous, vain, and petty.

That's our boy! Callous, clueless, vain, and petty. Boggles my mind that anyone with more than half a brain still backs him.

And what's in the bill? It's awful but moron Trump, who has never uttered a substantive and coherent sentence on healthcare, said this gem to demonstrate his continual cluelessness: "The plan gets better and better and better and it's gotten really really good and a lot of people are liking it a lot."

And this is how he wins over those Trumpkins, time and again - ignoring facts and reality and just using bigly good words without form or substance.

[Blade Wolf]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.dd0e064d45a6

Now if only Trump could take the hint and push for single payer healthcare.

[Saucerian]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.dd0e064d45a6

Now if only Trump could take the hint and push for single payer healthcare.

I'm admittedly amused by (R)s and healthcare. It's like their Achilles' cognitive dissonance. I'd bet most would be all for single payer / socialized care as long as it wasn't called that.

This plan... well, in a twisted way it might accomplish truly affordable (i.e. lower cost) care, as uninsured people in desperation seek the lowest cost care they can find. Higher cost providers could find themselves with less customers and have to lower costs to compete. Still a harsh, awful way to do it.

I can't critique it too much, though, since at its root, just like the ACA, it's about putting the costs on the poor and middle class. The motivation behind pretty much all policy coming from our oligarchical government.

[Kujako]

Now if only Trump could take the hint and push for single payer healthcare.

Heh, as if the Republicans would pass any such thing.

[Deleted]

There are high risk pools, and they have never worked anywhere they have been tried.

This is actually patently false, high-risk pools are a very common policy tool if insurance companies arn't allowed to apply price discrimination against high-risk individuals. What is done in a lot of countries (netherlands amongst them) is that insurance companies get money from the government if their risk-profile is higher than average, reducing the incentive for insurance company to target healthy people and to make it harder for unhealthy people to get insurance.

[Galluccio]

Before Obama came into office my school district offered multiple health care plans with different deductibles. Thanks to Obama care, I only have one option with a $6,000 deductible. The news only focuses on the people who would have no health care without Obamacare. No one cares about the guy who just had his deductible tripled.

[paralleluniverse]

This is actually patently false, high-risk pools are a very common policy tool if insurance companies arn't allowed to apply price discrimination against high-risk individuals. What is done in a lot of countries (netherlands amongst them) is that insurance companies get money from the government if their risk-profile is higher than average, reducing the incentive for insurance company to target healthy people and to make it harder for unhealthy people to get insurance.

Nope.

That is reinsurance, not high risk pools. The ACA already has a temporary 3 year reinsurance program where insurers with low-cost individuals pay in and high-cost individuals get payments. It is temporary because insurers can buy reinsurance in the market from reinsurance companies.

High risk pools are pools where people who are so sick they can't get affordable insurance are subsidized by the government. Since only the most sick are covered, instead of spreading the risk in a common pool, costs are so explosive the government is forced to limit sign-ups, impose lifetime limits, or long waiting periods. High risk pools have been used extensively before the ACA and have never worked.

[Bullettime]

Before Obama came into office my school district offered multiple health care plans with different deductibles. Thanks to Obama care, I only have one option with a $6,000 deductible. The news only focuses on the people who would have no health care without Obamacare. No one cares about the guy who just had his deductible tripled.

The problem is that there are many reasons why those deductibles and rates are going up and it's not just the ACA doing it. The ACA merely highlighted those concerns and sped the process up.

The GOP are just clamoring to remove the whole thing instead of attacking the actual underlying problems thanks to the heavy influence of big pharma as a lobbyist group. If the ACA were repealed, your rates and deductibles would still be much higher while a lot of people at the lower end lose their coverage and/or die.

[Deleted]

Before Obama came into office my school district offered multiple health care plans with different deductibles. Thanks to Obama care, I only have one option with a $6,000 deductible. The news only focuses on the people who would have no health care without Obamacare. No one cares about the guy who just had his deductible tripled.

Nop, this article is actually about everyone with health insurance who ever gets ill: existing plans would see these increases in premiums just as much as the people who were newly insured.
I am not able to speak to your case specifically but a lot of the increases in health care premiums/deductibles were due to the natural increase of health care costs that were happening before the ACA was implemented. Also the only thing that obama did to reduce the diversity in health care plans was set minimum standards for what those healthcare plans would have to cover, meaning that the reduction beyond that is probably due to market forces (unless you argue that obamacare has made being an insurer less profitable, I would agree with you on that though that's not necessarily a bad thing)

[DocSavageFan]

Those surcharges are for those with preexisting conditions who made a choice not to purchase healthcare insurance prior to their diagnosis and got burned by their choice. People should pay more when they try to game the system. But damn, those surcharges are huge for sure.

[paralleluniverse]

Before Obama came into office my school district offered multiple health care plans with different deductibles. Thanks to Obama care, I only have one option with a $6,000 deductible. The news only focuses on the people who would have no health care without Obamacare. No one cares about the guy who just had his deductible tripled.

[Deleted]

Nope.

That is reinsurance, not high risk pools. The ACA already has a temporary 3 year reinsurance program where insurers with low-cost individuals pay in and high-cost individuals get payments. It is temporary because insurers can buy reinsurance in the market from reinsurance companies.

High risk pools are pools where people who are so sick they can't get affordable insurance are subsidized by the government. Since only the most sick are covered, instead of spreading the risk in a common pool, costs are so explosive the government is forced to limit sign-ups, impose lifetime limits, or long waiting periods. High risk pools have been used extensively before the ACA and have never worked.

Actually, reinsurance is a form of high-risk pooling:

http://chirblog.org/whats-difference...ng-conditions/

''One type of high-risk pool is called reinsurance. It is among the premium stabilization programs employed in the ACA. In place for just the first three years of the ACA’s marketplaces (2014-2016), the reinsurance program provided payments to insurers to help pay claims for high-cost enrollees. Another type of high-risk pool, included in Speaker Ryan’s ACA replacement proposal and others, would place unhealthy consumers into a risk pool that is separate from the rest of the individual market.''

So while I do agree with your general point (as well as the point that this ''improved'' version is an abomination), you are incorrect on the specifics and because high-risk pooling is a term that is used for both kinds, it might confuse people.

[Jun]

Stupid shit happens.
But this places always devolves into the same circle jerk when it has anything to do with trump or republicans

Probably because supporting this particular bill is just plain stupid.

[Deleted]

Those surcharges are for those with preexisting conditions who made a choice not to purchase healthcare insurance prior to their diagnosis and got burned by their choice. People should pay more when they try to game the system. But damn, those surcharges are huge for sure.

Or you know, the people who are going off their parents plan and are already ill at that point?
Or the people who have a cheap plan and want a more comprehensive plan?
Or people who couldn't afford the premiums and let their insurance lapse?

Not everyone who doesn't have insurance is doing so to game the system in fact, there are plenty of good reasons not to:

https://www.google.nl/url?sa=i&rct=j...92877281137405

[Paranoid Android]

Pass it. I am just wishing it fucks as many poor Trumpsters as any other voter. Keep voting against your interest idiots.