The Trumpcare Zombie Rises From the Grave: Trump Desperate For A Win Before 100 Days!

[Poopymonster]

I'm a random guy from the internet but we already have precedent for government subsidized healthcare. Why can't we do that or just mandate people save money for their own healthcare beyond a threshold? Insurance seems like such a scam, especially when it's a for-profit business and they need to profit and this is the healthcare equivalent of a lukewarm Jacuzzi.

Bcuz gubermin ebul.

[Sunseeker]

lol, like the south park Game of Thrones episode.

DRAGONS ARE COMING!!!!!




soon

It's kinda sad that when I can't find anything interesting on TV, there'e enough South Park produced to keep me busy well...until there is something interesting on.

[alexw]

This is going to be the next 4 years, unless Trump gets impeached, or dies I guess.

People will wonder if Trump and the GOP are going to accomplish anything of substance, in 100 days, a year, 2 years, etc... and Trump & Co will assure them something is in the pipe and it's going to be awesome just give them a week, a month, 6 months, a year... and then it will never materialize and then Trump & Co will complain people have unrealistic expectations for him to produce something of value within a timetable he provided but was totally not his.

I mean I get politicians lying, but usually it's word twisting, question dodging, that sort of stuff. Not in-your-face lying about things they said 6 months ago.

The problem for the GOP is doing stuff generally takes either tax monies and/or increasing the amount of legislation in existence. But the GOP as a party are ideology opposed to both. They are anti-governance, and as an anti-governance party they are not going to actually, you know, govern.

[Breccia]

In all fairness, if he can somehow get the conservatives and the Freedom Caucus to agree, it'll pass the House.

I don't know how, and neither does Trump, who has done literally nothing other than tell people to do his job for him in this context.

Also just today he said it doesn't need to happen by 100 days. Which is good news, because that's probably impossible.

[Sunseeker]

The problem for the GOP is doing stuff generally takes either tax monies and/or increasing the amount of legislation in existence. But the GOP as a party are ideology opposed to both. They are anti-governance, and as an anti-governance party they are not going to actually, you know, govern.

Its sad more people can't see that.

[Moshots]

As an European, I'm amazed with that table. You guys really are behind times regarding health insurance.

I mean the American people would have to accept Higher taxes to ever get unified healthcare.... and most of our country is too dumb to realize that the 25-30% taxes we pay is 10-20% lower than these countries that offer Unified healthcare while in the same sentence asking for tax breaks on top of Unified healthcare..

[Sunseeker]

I mean the American people would have to accept Higher taxes to ever get unified healthcare.... and most of our country is too dumb to realize that the 25-30% taxes we pay is 10-20% lower than these countries that offer Unified healthcare while in the same sentence asking for tax breaks on top of Unified healthcare..

If I paid my own way for healthcare (and I mean good healthcare, not just catastrophic bullshit) I'd be paying nearly $400/mo for myself. Via the ACA I only pay $150 for myself and my wife. $400/mo amounts to about 1/6th of my monthly income. Somehow, I don't think the increase on taxes would be anywhere near 16%.

[Mgann-Morzz]

reading these threads always illuminates me on the American Right, on almost every issue they only have the experience of maybe 1 person out of 300 millions or just complete fantasies that they convince themselves are reality so they don't have to accept how utterly duped they are.

[Moshots]

If I paid my own way for healthcare (and I mean good healthcare, not just catastrophic bullshit) I'd be paying nearly $400/mo for myself. Via the ACA I only pay $150 for myself and my wife. $400/mo amounts to about 1/6th of my monthly income. Somehow, I don't think the increase on taxes would be anywhere near 16%.

Yes but these countries also are not 10 trillion in debt...... And raising taxes is the reason.. People talk about like how sweden is one of the richest countries in the world yeah with a 59% tax rate. Americans would riot in the street burn down the capitol and commit anarchy before they paid that while on the other hand going wow why can't we be like those countries

[Orbitus]

Can you point out what's biased?

Its from New York Times, so that automatically means its biased. Even if they do their homework and source everything.

[Hiricine]

The idea of paying into an insurance plan slightly more than the estimated cost to the company makes too much sense to people.

Applaud Trump for doing what he should, which is single payer, or removing the feds from as much of the regulation and paying as possible. The silly mix of paying only if you're sick or old and screwing people who are healthy needs to change one way or another.

[Mormolyce]

Mmmmmm, this is going to be good.

Haha, the only way to get the Freedom Caucus on board was to fuck people over some more.

Who the fick keeps electing these clowns?

Which I'm sure establishment Republicans are thrilled about.

*popcorn*

It's disgusting tbh. And then you realise they murder their mentaly disabled prisoners.

Mentally ill man set to die in Arkansas 'conveyor belt' executions

Their mentally ill can be executed, but their right to own guns is solidly protected. Swings and roundabouts!

[Blur4stuff]

I wonder if those getting hit with bankruptcy inducing medical bills still feel like it was better to pay a little bit less in taxes.

[Mormolyce]

In all fairness, if he can somehow get the conservatives and the Freedom Caucus to agree, it'll pass the House.

If the Freedom Caucus doesn't get on board, it sinks along with public confidence in the administration.
If the Freedom Caucus gets on board but establishment Republicans don't, same net result.
If the Freedom Caucus and establishment Republicans are both on board, presumably out of sheer desperation, it'll be carnage at the next election.

It's been a no-win scenario since they adopted this "strategy" on healthcare in the election.

[Adolecent]

Their mentally ill can be executed, but their right to own guns is solidly protected. Swings and roundabouts!

Horrible folks those Republicans. No wonder the alt-right feels athome amoung them.

[paralleluniverse]

Trump is use to taking risks. And this new plan seems to have more support and does sound like a better one. Not near as bad as what the OP has tried to say it is. The first plan sucked. Plus like a lot of things he said he wanted to do during his campaign, most know he can only do what Congress and the judges ( Supreme Court ) allows him to do. He is not always unchallenged. If I was him, I would keep trying to push thru a replacement for Obamacare.

Apparently AHCA wasn't bad enough for this Trumpster, only now when Trump makes it worse by allowing insurers to price-discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions does he support it.

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He has to depend on the House because he needs the votes........ I don't think he had enough vote for his plan, whatever that may be. His plan was probably drawn up by policy makers- just like the original Obamacare (you know the dems didnt write that right? You understand how this works?)

TRUMP DOESN'T HAVE A FUCKING PLAN, YOU DUPE.

And yes, The Dems did write ACA. It was written by Max Baucus and the Senate Finance Committee, a lot of policy legwork was done by the time Obama was in.

[RuneDK]

As an European, I'm amazed with that table. You guys really are behind times regarding health insurance.

The hilarious part is our "universal" healthcare is a joke. However it was a step in the right direction. While taxes in the States aren't as much as other countries, Americans don't actually see many if any benefit of our taxes. Our infrastructure is failing, no free higher education, and health insurance is too much for many to even afford but we'll get fined if we don't have it. So it makes one wonder where that tax money is actually going. I would like to see them improve obamacare over repeal and replace with something more catastrophic.

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Yes but these countries also are not 10 trillion in debt...... And raising taxes is the reason.. People talk about like how sweden is one of the richest countries in the world yeah with a 59% tax rate. Americans would riot in the street burn down the capitol and commit anarchy before they paid that while on the other hand going wow why can't we be like those countries

The people of Sweden also get a lot with that tax rate. I would gladly pay more in taxes if it resulted in a working universal healthcare program for everyone, free higher education, and actual work on fixing the infrastructure of the country, proper maternity/paternity leave and the list could go on.

[Alydael]

Apparently AHCA wasn't bad enough for this Trumpster, only now when Trump makes it worse by allowing insurers to price-discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions does he support it.

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TRUMP DOESN'T HAVE A FUCKING PLAN, YOU DUPE.

And yes, The Dems did write ACA. It was written by Max Baucus and the Senate Finance Committee, a lot of policy legwork was done by the time Obama was in.

You have no idea if Trump has a plan or not, yet you claim you have this knowledge. You are just so desperate to say something bad about Trump that you would outright lie- because you have no idea whether he has a plan or not and you have absolutely no way of knowing. That makes you the dupe, obviously....

As for the Dems wrote it.... They didn't write it- they hired (with our tax dollars) a policy writing firm to do it. That's why Pelosi and Obama had to "pass the bill to find out what was in it." I doubt they ever read it, even after it passed. They probably got a "brief" on it from the firm that wrote it.

I just pointed it out because we have people in the forum that don't understand how government works. They think that Trump writes up or makes the plan. Politicians don't do that (and haven't for many decades now). They pay someone to do it. So, if Trump wanted a plan- he pays a firm to draw it up. Most politicians don't have the in depth legal knowledge required to craft a bill that would stand up to all the legal tests (and Trump certainly doesn't)

[Kujako]

You have no idea if Trump has a plan or not

Based on 30+ years of being aware of Trump, I feel confident in saying he does not now, nor has he ever, had a plan for anything that looked more than 12 hours ahead.

[Alydael]

Based on 30+ years of being aware of Trump, I feel confident in saying he does not now, nor has he ever, had a plan for anything that looked more than 12 hours ahead.

You must be right. I am sure he turned a million dollars into billions by tripping and falling over the money, no plan at all. Yep, makes total sense.

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