Guardians of Azeroth vs Lich King

[death604]

Barring bronze dragon shenanigans involving killing baby Arthas, I'd have to say the Scourge wins, but not easily.

Arthas has the bones of every dragon who has ever died literally at his doorstep, all those Frostwyrms should be able to swarm the dragons and bring them down to be risen as well.
The Ancients and co. are simply dealt with by the plague or dragged down by scores of ghouls. Failing that, as powerful as the Ancients are, I doubt they could go toe to toe with too many of those bone giants.

and? talking as if any of those bones are jack shit worth of anything, talking as if those fodder corpses ain't getting oneshotted by any of the Aspects. theres absolutely nothing in the scourge that's capable of stopping the ancients/aspects from plowing their way to LK and ripping him to shreds.

[TheFirstOnes]

Guardians...

Easily...

Now, against The Legion, though....

*Looks at Kil'jaeden/Archimonde + Their Legion of Space-ships + Krosus*

I think we have our answer...

[death604]

Anything the armies could present, would be met with the undead equivalent of it. That's the problem.

scrouge has an undead equivalent of an Aspect and Ancient? Scourge's strongest creation is nothing more than Malygos' literal bitch.

the only strength of the scourge is their nigh limitless undead fodder armies, but at the end of the day they're nothing more than a fodder. they ain't stopping god level beings from killing LK. what's freaking stopping the Aspects from knocking at ICC to make use of LK as a toothpicK?

[darkoms]

Guardians...

Easily...

Now, against The Legion, though....

*Looks at Kil'jaeden/Archimonde + Their Legion of Space-ships + Krosus*

I think we have our answer...

*cough* dragon soul *cough*

[Heffladin]

Having all the dragonflights aligned, including the black one would be a resounding victory for the dragons and ancient gods I would say. The ground may be cluttered with ancient bones but what good are they when they are cleansed by the combined efforts of the blacks (who would be the ones to locate them) and the reds (cleansing them).
Lets not forget that they would probably save the drakkari gods too if they could just stomp the undead in zul'drak.

Not to mention nature would be on their side as well. so you have everything besides water/fire air elementals in terms of forces of nature on your side. Sorry LK.

[TickTickTick]

You'd think that if they could then they would, right? I guess that's an interesting point though. Why didn't they help us at all?

Back then I always thought they were kind of vulnerable to the undeath, same way Malfurion is vulnerable to the nightmare and couldnt come with us to the Rift of Aln. They probably could help us here and there, but didnt want to risk too much. Dragons are as easily turned into undead as mortal (see Sindragosa, Sapphiron, almost Valithria), but should it happen they would be a serious threat to Azeroth.

[TheFirstOnes]

*cough* dragon soul *cough*

*Cough* A Random powerful Eredar Warlock Destroyed a Planets crust *Cough*

Not even Kil'jaeden....

Also *Cough* 25k years of Fel/Intellectual experience + LOTS OF TRAINING *Cough*

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While the Dragon soul is POWERFUL....

It's not enough...

[Wildmoon]

Back then I always thought they were kind of vulnerable to the undeath, same way Malfurion is vulnerable to the nightmare and couldnt come with us to the Rift of Aln. They probably could help us here and there, but didnt want to risk too much. Dragons are as easily turned into undead as mortal (see Sindragosa, Sapphiron, almost Valithria), but should it happen they would be a serious threat to Azeroth.

Dragons are not especially vulnerable to undeath. They are the same as everyone and may be even more resilient.

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*Cough* A Random powerful Eredar Warlock Destroyed a Planets crust *Cough*

Not even Kil'jaeden....

Also *Cough* 25k years of Fel/Intellectual experience + LOTS OF TRAINING *Cough*

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While the Dragon soul is POWERFUL....

It's not enough...

A lot of random Eredar warlocks were destroyed by Rhonin,Krasus,Malfurion and Illidan though.. Not that tough. We have dealt with many in Legion too.

[TheFirstOnes]

Dragons are not especially vulnerable to undeath. They are the same as everyone and may be even more resilient.

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A lot of random Eredar warlocks were destroyed by Rhonin,Krasus,Malfurion and Illidan though.. Not that tough. We have dealt with many in Legion too.

Not talking about Random Eredar Warlocks in General...

Talking about the BIG EREDAR BOIS! For example: Tal'gath, or Kil'jaeden...

Or so forth...

[Wildmoon]

Not talking about Random Eredar Warlocks in General...

Talking about the BIG EREDAR BOIS! For example: Tal'gath, or Kil'jaeden...

Or so forth...

Not a lot out there and they would fear Dragon Soul. The artifact was pretty damn powerful. Archimonde wouldn't bet on facing it.

[TheFirstOnes]

Not a lot out there and they would fear Dragon Soul. The artifact was pretty damn powerful. Archimonde wouldn't bet on facing it.

Archimonde wouldn't bet on facing it, cause he fights alone like a dumbass....

Grab in Kil'jaeden, and The Demon Soul will be destroying his Infinite Army, while he's Behind The curtains, preparing a spell to destroy it...

Just like he stated in the Nether: "MY STRENGTH COMES FROM AN INFINITE ARMY".

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Archimonde is smart, but he's not that smart. He's the brute of the Legion Commanders, The Defiler...

Kil'jaeden is the Manipulator, the Tactical one, The Smartest of the Commanders, The Deceiver....

[TickTickTick]

It doesn't at all seem to be "ss easily". A mortal succumbs to the plague and immediately raises as a zombie soon after. Arthas has to physically locate Sindragosa's corpse and use Frostmourne ritually in order to raise her; had multiple Liches working on Valithria for a prolongued time and needed a massive ritual to even consider raising Galakrond (which means he could not do it himself with Frostmourne).

Ok, maybe not easy, but they ARE corruptable. And an undead dragon is a threat far bigger than a zombie, so maybe thats why they tried to avoid getting too close.

Dragons are not especially vulnerable to undeath. They are the same as everyone and may be even more resilient.

They are not immune though. Maybe they didnt want to add even more to the LK's arsenal.

[Wildmoon]

I mean has anyone actually properly used the Dragon Soul? Neltharion fired it once at the blue flight and it almost destroyed him. Everyone after that has either used it conservatively making use of it's side effects more than it's pure destructive power until at the raid Thrall used it with the help of four Aspects and the focusing Iris and still only managed to get three shots out of it each only after a significant amount of preparation. I somehow doubt anyone in WoW could use that artifact at will. But I am quite certain you could take down ICC and the Lich King too with a single shot from a skyship.

Malfurion used it to do pretty amazing things like creating huge ass storm that cover the whole of Zin-Azshari. The storm striked down and blowed shit tons of demons and highbornes. The disc was not really only powerful because of its pure destructive power. With some brain it could almost grant anything you want. Malfurion could exist in two places at once utilising the the disc's power.

[Wildmoon]

And yet for some reason instead of having Malfurion who already knew how to use it blow Deathwing up, we got shackled with lame ass Green Jesus who could not even fire it straight. Sigh

That's the thing about Cata. It ruined Thrall's character. He was forced into the role he was not supposed to be. He had 0 connection and history with DW and the aspects. Even Khadgar would be better. That's why I hate the chosen one plot. Thrall was almost universally liked character then Cata happened. Now, they are showing him crawling on the ground.

[darkoms]

*Cough* A Random powerful Eredar Warlock Destroyed a Planets crust *Cough*

Not even Kil'jaeden....

Also *Cough* 25k years of Fel/Intellectual experience + LOTS OF TRAINING *Cough*

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While the Dragon soul is POWERFUL....

It's not enough...

And why did Archimonde not destroy us in Draenor?
And by the way about Archimonde. When Malorne appeared on the battlefield, Archimonde went out and fought with him.
When Neltharion appeared with the Soul of the Dragon, Archimonde did absolutely nothing.

[Aquamonkey]

And why did Archimonde not destroy us in Draenor?

Time radiation scrambled his brain.

[TheFirstOnes]

And why did Archimonde not destroy us in Draenor?
And by the way about Archimonde. When Malorne appeared on the battlefield, Archimonde went out and fought with him.
When Neltharion appeared with the Soul of the Dragon, Archimonde did absolutely nothing.

Archimonde was ABOUT to use a meteor to destroy draenor....

But, just like all villains, they got defeated by Plot stuns...

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Time radiation scrambled his brain.

Also this.

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Also, about the Whole Deathwing dragon soul thing....

Archimonde was busy questioning his life, while Malfurion kept rooting him...

[darkoms]

Archimonde was ABOUT to use a meteor to destroy draenor....

But, just like all villains, they got defeated by Plot stuns...

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Also this.

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Also, about the Whole Deathwing dragon soul thing....

Archimonde was busy questioning his life, while Malfurion kept rooting him...

What? When Deathwing appeared, Archimonde was not injured it was before the battle with Malorne.

[TheFirstOnes]

What? When Deathwing appeared, Archimonde was not injured it was before the battle with Malorne.

Ohhhh....

He likely deathwing to take the soul...

If Deathwing destroys ALOT of shit with the Dragon (AKA The Demon) Soul, then it'd be a greater chance for the Legion's victory...


Little did he know, that the Soul would be a MAJOR thing for Sargeras' summoning...

And, just before Deathwing grabbed the Soul, Sargeras fucked his ass up...

So, maybe Archimonde ALSO knew about Sargeras' sneak attack on Deathwing?

Idk...

[Manabomb]

Archimonde was ABOUT to use a meteor to destroy draenor....

But, just like all villains, they got defeated by Plot stuns...

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Also this.

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Also, about the Whole Deathwing dragon soul thing....

Archimonde was busy questioning his life, while Malfurion kept rooting him...

The plight of every warrior when fighting a druid.

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i think the reason given was that the Dragons were weakened by the Nexus War.

I wouldn't say weakened, more or less just pre-occupied. Tbh with how the arcane mage artifact ties up the end of the Nexus War, it was very much a worthy focus, especially with the explanation on just how powerful the void is.

On topic, though. I could see them winning, but only if the dream was uncorrupted. If we are still in pre-cata nightmare, then lol no.