Guardians of Azeroth vs Lich King

[Wildmoon]

/sigh

Besides an army of seemingly endless undeath? The risk that they could easily be taken out by any undead flying creature, even a whelp is too dangerous. And like Rafoel said, the fact that he probably can just rip their souls right out aswell.

And I dont know if you keep thinking he's some weakling necromancer who can just be one shot, but he's not. This is the most endurable human sized person on the planet who has possibly the greatest kill count before becoming the Lich King.

The LK was pretty vulnerable. He was even vulnerable against plague bomb. If plague bombs were able to injure him then the Aspects's power would destroy him. DW for example was nigh unkillable except with the immense power of the Dragon Soul. The LK was injured by merely plague bombs. He was pushed back at the light's hope. He certainly could not just rip souls out of anyone or everything without certain conditions. He would just rip Tirion's soul out at the Light's Hope if he could because he purposely sent the Ebon Blade of the suicide mission to lure Tirion out.

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In War of the Spiders, Ner'zhul the Lich King realised that with every corpes he raise as undead his personal power increases, so when he killed many of them he reached a point that overwhlmed the spiders. This why the Legion got worried, his powers were growing beyond what they intended.

The Lich king as he is not some fodder, he is too powerful, a head on war that lasts long will always end in his favor as the longest the war remains the more power he gains. Thats all.

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This is from wowpedia: "As he devoured more and more souls, he only grew in power as the individual undead under his control gave him "much needed nourishment". Thus, his powers began growing at an exponential rate; a fact that the dreadlords were well aware of."

Again why would you assume that the LK would last long enough to pass a certain threshold of power? The LK is certainly not too powerful.

[TheFirstOnes]

Lemme give ya something:

The Lich king (WoTLK): Mountain buster at best.

Dragon aspects (At prime): Rival/Surpass Aegwynn in power, but below the Titans Keepers at their Prime. The Aspects are also near Multi-continental busters...

I think we know who wins...

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I feel like there was a lot of furious typing going on here.


The Scourge and the Legion are different. Archimonde is multitudes stronger now than he ever was during that war. And I'll ask you, if you're logic is that the Nexus war was to distract the Aspects, where were they when Archimonde was ascending Mount Hyjal? Just because characters take interest in one danger and not another, doesn't mean that it wasn't a threat regardless, just means they chose different characters at different times to use.


Also, lets use one more piece of lore. In another timeline, a more successful Lich King did win. If all you do is rate everything like you would on Dragon Ball Z based on power levels, you don't understand fantasy at all. The Scourge doesn't work the same way as the Legion does and the more powerful the enemy is, the more powerful the Scourge becomes. That's why Arthas wanted the heroes to get stronger, heroes that vanquished not only Malygos an Aspect but also an Old God(not at full power, but still more powerful than mortal imagination).

I think you're just wanking the scourge now...

They get stronger for every enemy they face, yes...

But the legion would SOLO the undead. If the undead were able to take on the Legion, then why need help?

Idc who you are, The Lich king is BOUND to Kil'jaeden, even if those bonds are almost nothingness now. The Lich King will always be the deceiver's puppet, and The lich king will always be leagues below Kil'jaeden. That's why he needed a deathlord. That's why he needed the 4 Horsemen. That's why he needed help from beyond the grave (For example: Legionfall).

The scourge is strong, yes, but they're not strong enough. They were originally puppets to the Legion, and they still are now. Even if they tried to rebel...

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Except the LK was still their pawn. The Legion had no fear popping into Azeroth. They even took command of the Scourge away from Ner'zhul. Ner'zhul didn't dare rebel until the Legion was crushed at Hyjal. KJ wanting the LK dead was because the LK betrayed the Legion. They were never afraid of the LK.

Damn. Beat me to it...

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The Legion was never afraid, that's true. But remember that the Lich King betrayal led to the Legion defeat in third war.
LK knows that his power is inferior to that of KJ, atm but he wasn't powerless. The Legion took command away yes, but that didn't apply to Arthas or Kul'Thazad or Anu'burak and many other undead, I think they underestimated his powers and how far he is willing to go.

Actually, the Legion's defeat was due to Medivh/Jaina/Thrall working together, not to mention the elves helping them as well...

The undead only started their shit during the frozen throne, and KJ needed Illidans "Help" in taking down the LK, since it'll take too long for him alone to kill the LK, mainly due to how long it'll take just to enter azeroth...

However, Illidan became a dumbass, wasted time with other beings, only to get fucked by Arthas at northrend..

[Deleted]

I think you're just wanking the scourge now...

They get stronger for every enemy they face, yes...

But the legion would SOLO the undead. If the undead were able to take on the Legion, then why need help?

Idc who you are, The Lich king is BOUND to Kil'jaeden, even if those bonds are almost nothingness now. The Lich King will always be the deceiver's puppet, and The lich king will always be leagues below Kil'jaeden. That's why he needed a deathlord. That's why he needed the 4 Horsemen. That's why he needed help from beyond the grave (For example: Legionfall).

The scourge is strong, yes, but they're not strong enough. They were originally puppets to the Legion, and they still are now. Even if they tried to rebel...

Popping in just to bring in some facts into this nonsense.

The Legion so far have proven to be able to "solo" almost nothing. Their "biggest invasion on Azeroth" so far has been an utter failure, as also stated by KJ in the ToS trailer.

The lich king is bound to no one. KJ created it, but it quickly went out of his control and grew in power beyond his expectations. Ofc those who claims it's more powerful than KJ or Deathwing are just silly, but has others pointed you this is not Dragonball, the power of a character is not bound to how many mountains it can smash with a fart.

The scourge hasn't been a puppet of the legion since the end of TFT (in b4 " but Velen has a vision bla bla bla" which never happend and as such is forgettable). The current Lich King sealed a pact with the Ebon Blade so they would act as his hand again and in return he wouldn't swarm the broken isles with the scourge. Claiming "he's weak that's why he needed the deathlord and the four horsmen!!11!!!" is so stupid I'm inclined to think you're trolling.

Anyway, everyone just need to wait for Chronicles Vol.3 where Blizz will finally shed more light on the Lich King origins, powers and plans.

[darkoms]

Lemme give ya something:

The Lich king (WoTLK): Mountain buster at best.

Dragon aspects (At prime): Rival/Surpass Aegwynn in power, but below the Titans Keepers at their Prime. The Aspects are also near Multi-continental busters...

I think we know who wins...

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I think you're just wanking the scourge now...

They get stronger for every enemy they face, yes...

But the legion would SOLO the undead. If the undead were able to take on the Legion, then why need help?

Idc who you are, The Lich king is BOUND to Kil'jaeden, even if those bonds are almost nothingness now. The Lich King will always be the deceiver's puppet, and The lich king will always be leagues below Kil'jaeden. That's why he needed a deathlord. That's why he needed the 4 Horsemen. That's why he needed help from beyond the grave (For example: Legionfall).

The scourge is strong, yes, but they're not strong enough. They were originally puppets to the Legion, and they still are now. Even if they tried to rebel...

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Damn. Beat me to it...

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Actually, the Legion's defeat was due to Medivh/Jaina/Thrall working together, not to mention the elves helping them as well...

The undead only started their shit during the frozen throne, and KJ needed Illidans "Help" in taking down the LK, since it'll take too long for him alone to kill the LK, mainly due to how long it'll take just to enter azeroth...

However, Illidan became a dumbass, wasted time with other beings, only to get fucked by Arthas at northrend..

Stop writing crap. Aspects are much stronger than Aegwynn. Are they inferior to the Preservers? Proof. We do not know anything about who is stronger.

[Farrarie]

Would a a powerful ally but it would not make much difference. The aspects defeated Galakrond with difficulty but back then they were not aspects. They were just intelligent proto dragons.

Tyr lost his hand and hundreds and maybe thousands of proto dragons got devoured by this monster
but as you know its wow so miracle happen and they destroy galakrond 5 protodragons with their armies and tyr

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Stop writing crap. Aspects are much stronger than Aegwynn. Are they inferior to the Preservers? Proof. We do not know anything about who is stronger.

Aegwynn lol
she got rekt in non cannon by cthune choggal
and in cannon by mediv
and rivaled a mage who is mediv father
but non the less deathwing feared mediv maybe he senced sargeras in him

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Popping in just to bring in some facts into this nonsense.

The Legion so far have proven to be able to "solo" almost nothing. Their "biggest invasion on Azeroth" so far has been an utter failure, as also stated by KJ in the ToS trailer.

The lich king is bound to no one. KJ created it, but it quickly went out of his control and grew in power beyond his expectations. Ofc those who claims it's more powerful than KJ or Deathwing are just silly, but has others pointed you this is not Dragonball, the power of a character is not bound to how many mountains it can smash with a fart.

The scourge hasn't been a puppet of the legion since the end of TFT (in b4 " but Velen has a vision bla bla bla" which never happend and as such is forgettable). The current Lich King sealed a pact with the Ebon Blade so they would act as his hand again and in return he wouldn't swarm the broken isles with the scourge. Claiming "he's weak that's why he needed the deathlord and the four horsmen!!11!!!" is so stupid I'm inclined to think you're trolling.

Anyway, everyone just need to wait for Chronicles Vol.3 where Blizz will finally shed more light on the Lich King origins, powers and plans.

Just because the Legion fails doesn't mean they aren't powerful or a threat. It's not black and white.



OT: It would last probably a bit shorter then say the Scourge War in Wrath. Having all those Wild Gods helping would make it a much shorter battle.

[TheFirstOnes]

Stop writing crap. Aspects are much stronger than Aegwynn. Are they inferior to the Preservers? Proof. We do not know anything about who is stronger.

I just said that they were much stronger than Aegwynn.

The Keepers empowered the fucking aspects. Deathwing was the only one who kept his prime, while also gaining the Old God buffs to em...

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Popping in just to bring in some facts into this nonsense.

The Legion so far have proven to be able to "solo" almost nothing. Their "biggest invasion on Azeroth" so far has been an utter failure, as also stated by KJ in the ToS trailer.

The lich king is bound to no one. KJ created it, but it quickly went out of his control and grew in power beyond his expectations. Ofc those who claims it's more powerful than KJ or Deathwing are just silly, but has others pointed you this is not Dragonball, the power of a character is not bound to how many mountains it can smash with a fart.

The scourge hasn't been a puppet of the legion since the end of TFT (in b4 " but Velen has a vision bla bla bla" which never happend and as such is forgettable). The current Lich King sealed a pact with the Ebon Blade so they would act as his hand again and in return he wouldn't swarm the broken isles with the scourge. Claiming "he's weak that's why he needed the deathlord and the four horsmen!!11!!!" is so stupid I'm inclined to think you're trolling.

Anyway, everyone just need to wait for Chronicles Vol.3 where Blizz will finally shed more light on the Lich King origins, powers and plans.

They're only failing due to The Illidari, The Artifacts, The Army Of Light, And the Player character. Had none of those been the case, the Undead would've been slaughtered....

KJ started losing his control AFTER the Reign of Chaos, since the LK Started to rebel against KJ's Magics. KJ didn't lose ALL of it though, just most of it.

However, it was right after Arthas wore the helm of domination, that KJ lost his ability to fully control his puppet. However, he's still a pawn in terms of power.

Besides, Velen isn't even worth mentioning here, since he became a thing during TBC!

[Aquamonkey]

Aegwynn lol
she got rekt in non cannon by cthune choggal
and in cannon by mediv

Aegwynn had already given her power to Medivh.

and rivaled a mage who is mediv father

Aran was specifically equipped to hunt down Aegwynn. He had artifacts which nullified her magic and even then, he couldn't beat her for months.

[Farrarie]

Popping in just to bring in some facts into this nonsense.

The Legion so far have proven to be able to "solo" almost nothing. Their "biggest invasion on Azeroth" so far has been an utter failure, as also stated by KJ in the ToS trailer.

The lich king is bound to no one. KJ created it, but it quickly went out of his control and grew in power beyond his expectations. Ofc those who claims it's more powerful than KJ or Deathwing are just silly, but has others pointed you this is not Dragonball, the power of a character is not bound to how many mountains it can smash with a fart.

The scourge hasn't been a puppet of the legion since the end of TFT (in b4 " but Velen has a vision bla bla bla" which never happend and as such is forgettable). The current Lich King sealed a pact with the Ebon Blade so they would act as his hand again and in return he wouldn't swarm the broken isles with the scourge. Claiming "he's weak that's why he needed the deathlord and the four horsmen!!11!!!" is so stupid I'm inclined to think you're trolling.

Anyway, everyone just need to wait for Chronicles Vol.3 where Blizz will finally shed more light on the Lich King origins, powers and plans.

the scourge was the puppet of the dreadlord and the dreadlords are the puppets of eredar lords archi and KJ
that's why arthas helped illidan to kill Ticho the leader of the scourge so he and the lich king can take full control of the scourge

[darkoms]

I just said that they were much stronger than Aegwynn.

The Keepers empowered the fucking aspects. Deathwing was the only one who kept his prime, while also gaining the Old God buffs to em...

Titans gave strength to Aspects, the Keepers were only guides.

[TheFirstOnes]

Titans gave strength to Aspects, the Keepers were only guides.

Retconned. The Titans gave the Keepers their power, while The Keepers saw the 5 badass protodrakes kill Galakrond, and gave the 5 their powers.

[darkoms]

Retconned. The Titans gave the Keepers their power, while The Keepers saw the 5 badass protodrakes kill Galakrond, and gave the 5 their powers.

The Keepers did not give their power to the Aspects. They handed over the power of the Titans. Transfer of forces Aspects did not affect the own forces of the Keepers.

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I think Guardian Aegwynn at her peak can match an aspect. Obviously Aegwynn as she was when she died cannot. SHe could still win over a more powerful spellcaster though primarily because Aegwynn did not have just raw power but also possessed significant skill and arcane combat experience and that counts for a lot in arcane duels (consider Khadgar vs Neltharion; Deathwing was vastly stronger than Khadgar but arcane skill and ingenuity won the day)

LOL what? Aegwin was not even at the level of Azshara. Not even close to the Aspect level.

[Rafoel]

The LK was pretty vulnerable. He was even vulnerable against plague bomb. If plague bombs were able to injure him then the Aspects's power would destroy him. DW for example was nigh unkillable except with the immense power of the Dragon Soul. The LK was injured by merely plague bombs. He was pushed back at the light's hope. He certainly could not just rip souls out of anyone or everything without certain conditions. He would just rip Tirion's soul out at the Light's Hope if he could because he purposely sent the Ebon Blade of the suicide mission to lure Tirion out.

Plague Bomb so powerful it caused even undead to drop on spot. Plague Bomb which was created under supervision of Sargeras himself. That Bomb was actually meant to kill LK. Grand Aphothecary waited specifically for the moment LK comes out. Fact that he survived was immense feat. Also, Light counters LK's powers, as I already said. For LK using powers at Light's Hope was like trying to lit fire underwater. Aspects cannot wield Light, so they are vulnerable.

Deathwing was unkillable? He was so unstable that he needed metres-thick elementium armor all around him, or else he would self-destruct. It's that armor that made him so durable. Even Dragon Soul wasn't able to pierce it (if you remember, the Spine of Deathwing encounter was all about removing few plates so that Thrall gets a clear shot). After he fell into Maelstrom, it was Old Gods corruption that kept him alive. Nothing connected to his former Aspect-self.

[Qualia]

Retconned. The Titans gave the Keepers their power, while The Keepers saw the 5 badass protodrakes kill Galakrond, and gave the 5 their powers.

You may want to check the source information before claiming that things are retconned. Nothing changed. Chronicle stated that the Keepers asked the Titans and only acted as conduit for the Titans to empower the Aspects.

LOL what? Aegwin was not even at the level of Azshara. Not even close to the Aspect level.

I wouldn't write off Guardian Aegwynn (not Aegwynn after she passed most of her power to Medivh) that early. As a Guardian, she has power of all previous Guardians passing over / stacking up for thousands of years (from 2,610 until 823 years before the Dark Portal). The council of Tirisfal recognized her as a sorceress without equal. The energy from the clash between her against the Avatar of Sargeras was powerful enough that they tore the skies asunder and shattered Northrend's crust, holding even the dragons - led by Alexstraza herself - away. Khadgar, who experienced the full might of Sargeras-Medivh's power, still considered Aegwynn to be the most powerful Guardian. Lastly, even after passing majority of her power over to Medivh, an enraged Aegwynn still almost won in the battle between her and Sargeras-Medivh (who even full power, pre-buffed Deathwing respected, was afraid of, and mentioned that he wielded powers unbelievable) until he had to resort to draining the life of all other living beings around Karazhan to empower himself in desperation.

With all that said, it doesn't seem Aegwynn was as weak as you think. She likely can match an Aspect if she - without majority of her power - was able to match Sargeras gaining full control and using full power of Medivh.

[darkoms]

You may want to check the source information before claiming that things are retconned. Nothing changed. Chronicle stated that the Keepers asked the Titans and only acted as conduit for the Titans to empower the Aspects.


I wouldn't write off Guardian Aegwynn (not Aegwynn after she passed most of her power to Medivh) that early. As a Guardian, she has power of all previous Guardians passing over / stacking up for thousands of years (from 2,610 until 823 years before the Dark Portal). The council of Tirisfal recognized her as a sorceress without equal. The energy from the clash between her against the Avatar of Sargeras was powerful enough that they tore the skies asunder and shattered Northrend's crust, holding even the dragons - led by Alexstraza herself - away. Khadgar, who experienced the full might of Sargeras-Medivh's power, still considered Aegwynn to be the most powerful Guardian. Lastly, even after passing majority of her power over to Medivh, an enraged Aegwynn still almost won in the battle between her and Sargeras-Medivh (who even full power, pre-buffed Deathwing respected, was afraid of, and mentioned that he wielded powers unbelievable) until he had to resort to draining the life of all other living beings around Karazhan to empower himself in desperation.

With all that said, it doesn't seem Aegwynn was as weak as you think. She likely can match an Aspect if she - without majority of her power - was able to match Sargeras gaining full control and using full power of Medivh.

Aegwin had experience. What makes you think that she has the power of all previous Guardians? The strength of the Guardians is given by the Council, it is not inherited (only in the case of Medivh) and does not increase with each time, otherwise Medivh would be stronger than Aegwyn (though Khadgar and Jaina, and you yourself noticed that Egwin is the strongest of the Guardians).
It is not said that Alexstrasza personally participated in the battle with the Avatar. Only the fact that she agreed to help Aegwyn with an ambush. And by the way, it was a very weakened Alexstrasza, since the Dragon Soul was still not destroyed by Ronin.
How I tired of this phrase about Deathwing ... He was afraid of Sargeras inside Medivh, and not the pure power of the Guardian.

[Qualia]

Aegwin had experience. What makes you think that she has the power of all previous Guardians? The strength of the Guardians is given by the Council, it is not inherited (only in the case of Medivh) and does not increase with each time, otherwise Medivh would be stronger than Aegwyn (though Khadgar and Jaina, and you yourself noticed that Egwin is the strongest of the Guardians).
It is not said that Alexstrasza personally participated in the battle with the Avatar. Only the fact that she agreed to help Aegwyn with an ambush. And by the way, it was a very weakened Alexstrasza, since the Dragon Soul was still not destroyed by Ronin.
How I tired of this phrase about Deathwing ... He was afraid of Sargeras inside Medivh, and not the pure power of the Guardian.

I believe Guardians' power are passed from one to the next based on how Aegwynn became Guardian by both Scavel's power and the Council's in "Cycle of Hatred" ("The magic of all the Tirisfalen will be granted to you." - not the Council, all). Outside "Cycle of Hatred", we only know that when a Guardian retires, he / she would give up his / her power without much details how the new Guardians will be empowered. In "Cycle of Hatred", it was stated that Scavell passed his Guardian's power over to Aegwynn: "A month later, having taught Aegwynn about the legions of demons and their horrific minions that had been trying—and, through the grace of Guardians like Scavell, failing—to encroach upon the world, Scavell passed on the power of the Guardian to Aegwynn". Seeing that the Council had no problem with Scavell's action (they were even there when Scavell decided to choose Aegwynn), I think it's fair to say that it wasn't just an exception. And I'd say it kind of makes sense: Alodi, the first Guardian and Me'dan when he got the power of members of the Council had trouble killing a single powerful Dreadlord (Kathra'Natir) and only sealed / banished him. On the other hand, Scavell defeated Sataiel who was using Ulthales and Aegwynn killed demons with single spell each then faced against the Avatar and won. If a Guardian only get power from the Council only (and not the previous one), there shouldn't be such a big gap between them (assuming the Council's powers don't change too much between one Guardian's era to another).

So why would Guardian-Medivh be less powerful than Guardian-Aegwynn? Simple, because Aegwynn didn't pass all of her power over. She still had enough power to keep her long-living spell going on until after the battle in Karazhan or facing off against Sargeras-Medivh, for example. So basically, Guardian Aegwynn's power (1) = Guardian power + Aegwynn's power. Guardian Medivh = Majority of (1) + Medivh's power. If Medivh's own power wasn't equal to the minority of (1) that Aegwynn kept, Guardian Aegwynn would still be the more powerful one (not to mention that Medivh spent most of his life sleeping while Aegwynn was out honing her expertise).

Secondly, Alexstraza led the dragons to help Aegwynn with the ambush, as stated in the Chronicle "She (Aegwynn) called on the majestic creatures to make good on their sacred pact to protect the world from evil. Led by Alexstraza the Life-binder, several of the dragonflights agreed to fight at the Guardian's side. Together, they staged an ambush near the gigantic skeletal remains of Galakrond". It's true that she was greatly weakened due to the Dragon Soul, but in Day of the Dragon, Deathwing at full power wasn't able to (or at least, didn't) hold her away (even though he admittedly was having upper hand in the battle against all 4 other Aspects). In Aegwynn's case, the dragons just couldn't join the battle between her and the Avatar.

Lastly, Deathwing wasn't afraid of Medivh just because he sensed Sargeras inside him (in fact, we don't even know if Deathwing knew Sargeras was there). This is the exact quote from "Day of the Dragons": "A good thing that he would perish in the course of matters; such strong will bred strong wizards—like Medivh. Only one name among humans had the black leviathan ever respected, and that had been Medivh's. Mad as a goblin—not to mention as unpredictable as one—he had wielded power unbelievable. Not even Deathwing would have faced him willingly". As you can see, Deathwing didn't want to face Medivh because "he has wielded power unbelievable" (in Deathwing's opinion). There wasn't any indication or implication that Deathwing sensed Sargeras inside Medivh.

[TheFirstOnes]

You may want to check the source information before claiming that things are retconned. Nothing changed. Chronicle stated that the Keepers asked the Titans and only acted as conduit for the Titans to empower the Aspects.


I wouldn't write off Guardian Aegwynn (not Aegwynn after she passed most of her power to Medivh) that early. As a Guardian, she has power of all previous Guardians passing over / stacking up for thousands of years (from 2,610 until 823 years before the Dark Portal). The council of Tirisfal recognized her as a sorceress without equal. The energy from the clash between her against the Avatar of Sargeras was powerful enough that they tore the skies asunder and shattered Northrend's crust, holding even the dragons - led by Alexstraza herself - away. Khadgar, who experienced the full might of Sargeras-Medivh's power, still considered Aegwynn to be the most powerful Guardian. Lastly, even after passing majority of her power over to Medivh, an enraged Aegwynn still almost won in the battle between her and Sargeras-Medivh (who even full power, pre-buffed Deathwing respected, was afraid of, and mentioned that he wielded powers unbelievable) until he had to resort to draining the life of all other living beings around Karazhan to empower himself in desperation.

With all that said, it doesn't seem Aegwynn was as weak as you think. She likely can match an Aspect if she - without majority of her power - was able to match Sargeras gaining full control and using full power of Medivh.

Must've fucking read it wrong, then...

[MikeBogina]

The LK was pretty vulnerable. He was even vulnerable against plague bomb. If plague bombs were able to injure him then the Aspects's power would destroy him. DW for example was nigh unkillable except with the immense power of the Dragon Soul. The LK was injured by merely plague bombs. He was pushed back at the light's hope. He certainly could not just rip souls out of anyone or everything without certain conditions. He would just rip Tirion's soul out at the Light's Hope if he could because he purposely sent the Ebon Blade of the suicide mission to lure Tirion out.

The plague that was used was a more extreme version of what the Scourge had used prior, enhanced to even kill the undead and even that didn't kill Arthas. But this is again another time I have to ask people to stop thinking with a DBZ mindset. The plague and undeath don't scale the same way as raw power from an aspect. You can't use the same measurements.

DW isn't a guardian of Azeroth, so I'm going to just go ahead and ignore that you brought him up. Tirion is a paladin, which means he uses the Light. Depending on how strong he is in the light, gives him all the more protection from dark magics(Turalyn, Uther are good examples of how it works) Dragons and other guardians are not creatures of light, they use nature and arcane powers and are more easily effected by Fel and Undeath.


That's the biggest mistake people make with Warcraft, thinking everyone's powers and lethality are all on the same scale system. They're not.

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I think you're just wanking the scourge now...

They get stronger for every enemy they face, yes...

But the legion would SOLO the undead. If the undead were able to take on the Legion, then why need help?

Idc who you are, The Lich king is BOUND to Kil'jaeden, even if those bonds are almost nothingness now. The Lich King will always be the deceiver's puppet, and The lich king will always be leagues below Kil'jaeden. That's why he needed a deathlord. That's why he needed the 4 Horsemen. That's why he needed help from beyond the grave (For example: Legionfall).

The scourge is strong, yes, but they're not strong enough. They were originally puppets to the Legion, and they still are now. Even if they tried to rebel...

Nothing of value was given in this comment, thank you for wasting precious space on here.

The Lich king (WoTLK): Mountain buster at best.

Dragon aspects (At prime): Rival/Surpass Aegwynn in power, but below the Titans Keepers at their Prime. The Aspects are also near Multi-continental busters...

You and anyone else who continues to make these comments need to spend more time debating who would win between Goku and Superman

[TheFirstOnes]

@MikeBogina

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Nothing of value? The fuck? Did you even attempt to read it?


Also, about the power scaling BS, I will admit that I was not 100% on that, but I'm also not 100% wrong on it. There is evidence on the Aspects Multi-continental power...

"You and anyone else who continues to make these comments need to spend more time debating who would win between Goku and Superman"

What?! All of what I stated makes a pure advantage over 1 person's side...

The fuck?

[Theoris]

Tyrion.

This ain't Game of Thrones.