Good guy with a gun shoots and Kills armed assailant

[Astalnar]

Two people died when there could have been zero, I don't feel like looking for good points.

Let's see. So let us suppose that the guns were not allowed. You know what happens?

A still dies, because B doesn't give a fuck, and C maybe gets out alive, but probably dies as well, because B has a gun and doesn't want any witnesses, and C is law abiding citizen.

It's good that the criminal got shot at the spot.

[Puupi]

No, the wording on the article is a little strange. You added a shooter.

Person A = 48-year-old James Jones aka "the suspect" <---shot by C
Person B = 37-year-old Cesar Perez aka "the manager" <---shot by A
Person C = Unnamed customer <---shot A

Oh, okay...

[PosPosPos]

Let's see. So let us suppose that the guns were not allowed. You know what happens?

A still dies, because B doesn't give a fuck, and C maybe gets out alive, but probably dies as well, because B has a gun and doesn't want any witnesses, and C is law abiding citizen.

It's good that the criminal got shot at the spot.

Actually, in such a scenario, nobody has guns, and thus it's much less likely to have fatal injuries on either side.

[Tehshocka]

Did you ever consider the fact that it's just luck to not have D shooting C and E shooting D etc or are you too clouded in judgement to realize that?

I know it's strange to you that there are people who don't carry guns, and said people who don't carry guns don't exacerbate gunfights.

Those people typically wind up dead in mass shootings..

[Sergar]

Did you ever consider the fact that neutralizing person B saved persons C-Z from potentially another Orlando situation or are you too clouded in judgement to realize that?

If you're going to play the "what if" game C-Z might be the next Hitler. Thanks a lot unknown customer you just let all those Potential Hitlers live.

[PC2]

Correlation is not causation. There are many other factors. The gun is the never the cause of a murder, it is always the human that is responsible for the murder.

Except it is, when it's a widely and extensively established pattern. But it's okay, you get to keep your guns and gun nuts. Extra loss of human life for freedom, right?

P.S. Of course it's always the human that is responsible for the murder, but it's asinine to pretend that murderers with weapons somehow doesn't increase the potential loss of life.

Nope, that claim has never been proven and it doesn't make any sense.

[Kaleredar]

Correlation is not causation. There are many other factors. The gun is the never the cause of a murder, it is always the human that is responsible for the murder.

We could investigate correlation AND causation, but the NRA lobbied to stop research into gun violence.


So all we have is the data that countries with strict gun control laws have fewer gun crimes that countries with very few gun control laws.

This isn't rocket science. You need to get the idea of "vigilante justice will keep the peace" out of your head.

[PosPosPos]

Those people typically wind up dead in mass shootings..

A nation with lax gun laws and easily accessible guns at your friendly neighborhood store typically have a lot of mass shootings.

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Nope, that claim has never been proven and it doesn't make any sense.

It has. It's just one of the many facts of actual reality that disagrees with Trump and Trump supporters' brand of Alternative Reality.

[Tehshocka]

A nation with lax gun laws and easily accessible guns at your friendly neighborhood store typically have a lot of mass shootings.

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It has. It's just a fact that disagrees with Trump and Trump supporters' brand of Alternative Reality.

So you are just going to ignore the black market that would undoubtedly still be around and easy to access.

[Kaleredar]

So you are just going to ignore the black market that would undoubtedly still be around and easy to access.

So you're saying criminals will break the law? Should we legalize contract killing and human trafficking because "the black market exists to fill those jobs anyway?"


Somehow other countries survive just fine, and with much less gun violence.

[ovm33]

We could investigate correlation AND causation, but the NRA lobbied to stop research into gun violence.


So all we have is the data that countries with strict gun control laws have fewer gun crimes that countries with very few gun control laws.

This isn't rocket science. You need to get the idea of "vigilante justice will keep the peace" out of your head.

You don't need research to tell you why the U.S. has higher gun related murders.

Drugs.

Gang Bangers shoot gang bangers over drugs. Remove those gang bangers from the equation and suddenly you get numbers that look an awful lot like Western Europe.

[PosPosPos]

So you are just going to ignore the black market that would undoubtedly still be around and easy to access.

So you are just going to ignore how black market gains traction because of how easy it is to obtain guns legally to begin with? I mean, why would the black market need to acquire guns with anything but the legal fashion? It's easier, and best of all, they got a defense for that.

[Daymanmb]

Justice against a murderer is a comfort to the family members. And neutralizing the criminal was a service to society.

Man if I had a gun, Id have kept this shit pile rolling by taking out the guy who shot the other guy..

[Tehshocka]

You don't need research to tell you why the U.S. has higher gun related murders.

Drugs.

Gang Bangers shoot gang bangers over drugs. Remove those gang bangers from the equation and suddenly you get numbers that look an awful lot like Western Europe.

Bingo, this pretty much sums up the gaps

[Astalnar]

Actually, in such a scenario, nobody has guns, and thus it's much less likely to have fatal injuries on either side.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, just like Chicago. No guns allowed, and still people end up shooting each other with all that illegaly obtained weaponry.

If you think that someone with intent to murder will care about possession charges, think again.

[Kaleredar]

You don't need research to tell you why the U.S. has higher gun related murders.

Drugs.

Gang Bangers shoot gang bangers over drugs. Remove those gang bangers from the equation and suddenly you get numbers that look an awful lot like Western Europe.

Actually you would need research to back that claim up.

[Tehshocka]

Man if I had a gun, Id have kept this shit pile rolling by taking out the guy who shot the other guy..

Thank you for clarifying your lack of critical thinking skills.

[PosPosPos]

You don't need research to tell you why the U.S. has higher gun related murders.

Drugs.

Gang Bangers shoot gang bangers over drugs. Remove those gang bangers from the equation and suddenly you get numbers that look an awful lot like Western Europe.

Which explains how other developed nations with drugs(legal or not), somehow have much lower gun violence than the US.

Oh wait.

[Krigaren]

I am sure NRA fans just got an erection after reading that.

I'm sure the "good guy" was sporting wood the entire time, too. I'm sure he couldn't wait for the chance to be a hero and murder another person with his gun. He should look into getting a job in law enforcement.

[PosPosPos]

Thank you for clarifying your lack of critical thinking skills.

Nope, he just pointed out why exactly having guns only serve to escalate the situation.