Heroic Czech girl scout stands up to neo-Nazis, becomes internet sensation

[Xarkan]

There's always need for violence when Nazis are involved.

There is always a need for prisons to hold those who endanger democracy

You and i may not entirely agree on who these people might be.

People who seek to do their political work with violence is who i here consider the threat to democracy.

[Arainie]

How can there still be individuals in this world who believe (neo-)nazism is anywhere near acceptable?
It has nothing to do with political views, it's based on blatant ignorance and hatred. It's a belef that incorporates racism and anti-semitism, and if you call yourself a nazi you can not distance yourself from either since they are both core elements of nazism. Jeez, I'm completely baffled how a large part of europe (and america for that matter) seems to have skipped history class or voluntarily forgotten about the 30's and 40's.

[Deleted]

How can there still be individuals in this world who believe (neo-)nazism is anywhere near acceptable?
It has nothing to do with political views, it's based on blatant ignorance and hatred. It's a belef that incorporates racism and anti-semitism, and if you call yourself a nazi you can not distance yourself from either since they are both core elements of nazism. Jeez, I'm completely baffled how a large part of europe (and america for that matter) seems to have skipped history class or voluntarily forgotten about the 30's and 40's.

might have something to do with the fact that people who are even remotely critical towards current immigration policies is labeled a neo-nazo. Which is pretty disrespectful towards those who actually suffered from Nazis honestly

[Triks]

I like the very, very repressed posters talking about "whiteknights" and shit... um no, if I saw a grown man attacking a fucking girl I'd step in too.

and all this shit about "oh if the police weren't there ect ect..." what in the actual fuck? Do you live in society or just in your dark computer rooms fantasizing about beating up girl scouts who stand up to neo-nazis?

That's the most shocking thing about this thread tbh.

[fathom81]

That's the most shocking thing about this thread tbh.

I would step up no matter who was being punched, wtf is wrong with humanity! Violence is not the answer.

[Ravenblade]

How can there still be individuals in this world who believe (neo-)nazism is anywhere near acceptable?
It has nothing to do with political views, it's based on blatant ignorance and hatred. It's a belef that incorporates racism and anti-semitism, and if you call yourself a nazi you can not distance yourself from either since they are both core elements of nazism. Jeez, I'm completely baffled how a large part of europe (and america for that matter) seems to have skipped history class or voluntarily forgotten about the 30's and 40's.

Comes down to simple things. People have this idea to divert the world into two groups and that's 'us' and 'them'. And whilst you may actually hate what's going on your side too you must defend your side against "them" and that includes particularly unwelcome elements on your side too. It's because differentiation and decoupling issues from people has become difficult. That's why people think Antifa and certain big-time capitalists are in bed despite Antifa being decidedly anti-capitalist. On the way to our main train station there is a slogan sprayed on the wall and has remained there since the last 15 years: "KⒶMPF DEM KAPITAL!". That's also why people think that opponents of policies of unregulated or mishandled immigration & integration are automatically neonazis.

Basically if people would go back to standing up for issues they would not be as much triggered when someone on the 'us' side gets attacked but instead of doing that you see the dangerous trend of solidarizing with those elements and thus reinforcing one's belief that one or the other thing are synonymous with eachother. That is how neonazis become acceptable when it's not and that's how radical ideas get transferred into moderate ground just like a landfill would spoil everything after a tornado, so someone who's been loosely anti-immigrant yesterday may be a vocal holocaust denier today especially if he's not that ideologically steadfast.

It is not an acceptable ideology and will never be, a lot of what people think as positive sides are still linked to the many provenly negative effects. If Western society has got to be better values than Islamist and other factions opposed to freedom and liberty then they should not be rooted in something that is quite akin to the values they are supposed to oppose. Hence once and then you should do a background check on your own stances especially after a heated time. As the German philosopher -and staunch opponent of anti-semitism - Friedrich Nietzsche once said in his Aphorism 146: He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. I know it's a commonly repeated quote but nevertheless true for anyone involved in a conflict.

[StayTuned]

How does that make it less likely that she's a Scout? Oh noes, she's wearing socks that suggest she doesn't like white pride assholes. So what?

At best, you've made an argument that she stands against fascists and racists. To which my response is . . . so what?

Antifa are just as bad as white pride

[ati87]

might have something to do with the fact that people who are even remotely critical towards current immigration policies is labeled a neo-nazo. Which is pretty disrespectful towards those who actually suffered from Nazis honestly

Or maybe just maybe using the age old nazi arguments is the cause of being branded as neo-nazi?

Spencer doesn't call himself a nazi but he sure hell likes his Nazi salute in a non ''joking way''...so he may not call himself a nazi because of semantics but if you use the same arguments and have the same god dam goals then you are a god dam nazi.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/neo-...storical-term/

Their was a person here arguing that he wasn't a nazi because he isn't German and he isn't part of the ''The National Socialist German Workers' Party'' well that's semantics and we don't give a shit about semantics.

If you're only argument is that you haven't gassed jews then you aren't really making you're case (have seen this used btw)

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Antifa are just as bad as white pride

fictional enemies are fictional....if you're main source of their existence are random cellphone youtube vids and a reddit page then it';s a god dam fictional enemy.

Last time I had this discussion it took that person 4 or 5 responses before he showed something from a respectable source which at that point just confirms by claim about fictional.

Plus opinion pieces aren't a proof either.

[Triks]

Comes down to simple things. People have this idea to divert the world into two groups and that's 'us' and 'them'. And whilst you may actually hate what's going on your side too you must defend your side against "them" and that includes particularly unwelcome elements on your side too. It's because differentiation and decoupling issues from people has become difficult. That's why people think Antifa and certain big-time capitalists are in bed despite Antifa being decidedly anti-capitalist. On the way to our main train station there is a slogan sprayed on the wall and has remained there since the last 15 years: "KⒶMPF DEM KAPITAL!". That's also why people think that opponents of policies of unregulated or mishandled immigration & integration are automatically neonazis.

Basically if people would go back to standing up for issues they would not be as much triggered when someone on the 'us' side gets attacked but instead of doing that you see the dangerous trend of solidarizing with those elements and thus reinforcing one's belief that one or the other thing are synonymous with eachother. That is how neonazis become acceptable when it's not and that's how radical ideas get transferred into moderate ground just like a landfill would spoil everything after a tornado, so someone who's been loosely anti-immigrant yesterday may be a vocal holocaust denier today especially if he's not that ideologically steadfast.

It is not an acceptable ideology and will never be, a lot of what people think as positive sides are still linked to the many provenly negative effects. If Western society has got to be better values than Islamist and other factions opposed to freedom and liberty then they should not be rooted in something that is quite akin to the values they are supposed to oppose. Hence once and then you should do a background check on your own stances especially after a heated time. As the German philosopher -and staunch opponent of anti-semitism - Friedrich Nietzsche once said in his Aphorism 146: He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. I know it's a commonly repeated quote but nevertheless true for anyone involved in a conflict.

That's the problem - people care too much about their party politics and not about their policies and about solving real problems. The reason why centrist parties dominate the landscape is because they take the policies and no the ideology.

[CptEgo]

It wasn't heroic, she had nothing to lose and everything to win. They would never touch her, she could have done and said anything she wanted.

[StayTuned]

fictional enemies are fictional....if you're main source of their existence are random cellphone youtube vids and a reddit page then it';s a god dam fictional enemy.

Last time I had this discussion it took that person 4 or 5 responses before he showed something from a respectable source which at that point just confirms by claim about fictional.

Plus opinion pieces aren't a proof either.

Dream on boy

[ranzino]

It may be shocking to some, but if a demo is permitted they can hold their rally and not even pretty scout girls have a legal reason to disturb it. if she would have been in the way of the march and stubborn, riot police would only ask her once to step aside or she is removed by force.

"stand up to neo nazis" can be illegal, sorry.

[aerosyne]

Your image isnt authentic. You just copy pasted it from a right wing media outlet.

Please explain how a the image being from the right-wing, as you are claiming and not providing any evidence for, is bad/inauthentic.

Antifa is, literally, a group that protests and resists fascism and fascists.

Through force, violence and censorial tactics. This is textbook facism. Endus, please.

What "violence"? She wasn't involved in any violence.


There you go again, literally making shit up so you can slander a 16-year old kid because you don't like that she was protesting neo-nazis. Because I seriously can't figure out any other reason for you to do this.

Why is it that as soon as it is convenient for them to do so, people ignore important parts, like the fact that other ANTIFA outfits exist and are predominantly using the tactics I've detailed above, thus painting all outfits of ANTIFA in a heavily negative light even if there are outfits which focus on peaceful protest?

Why would you hear about non-violent protests? Why are they newsworthy? It takes instances like this image that sparked this thread for that stuff to get notice.


That's why you have the weighted perception you do.

So, the only thing I get from this is that you believe people who think ANTIFA is detrimental have an incorrectly weighted perception because the vast majority of times ANTIFA shows up, they're extremely hostile and violent, yet one time out of many they act reasonably, and this one time somehow outweighs the many others because of mysterious, undocumented ANTIFA protests that nobody has heard about but totally happen because you're implying they do?

I like pretzels as much as the next person, but not when it comes to logic and arguing.

<right wing faggot> I am no nazi!

Ah yes, this is a great way to argue and cannot possibly backfire.

They hurt Nazis and windows. Have they hurt any humans yet?

Ah, the classic goal-post moving mixed with the appeal to emotion while attempting to leave out that the National Socialist German Worker's Party is group of people a set of beliefs and ideals which cannot exist on their own and must be thought up and created by a human, because acknowledging that people are different, will have different beliefs, and that some of those beliefs can be extreme would totally ruin your grand-standing.

Never mind that ANTIFA lit off homemade fireworks and molotov cocktails on the Berkeley campus because some gay dude with flashy clothing and great hair decided he wanted to come talk to students; since that doesn't fit your agenda, it would of course not be mentioned.

So, establish that he actually is a neo-Nazi, then the thread will have a decent start.

HOW DARE YOU SAY SOMETHING COMPLETELY REASONABLE AND LOGICAL. PEOPLE HAVE FLAGS THEY NEED TO WAVE SO THEY FEEL ACCEPTED AND INCLUDED, YOU JERK.

Literally anyone who has paid attention to history.

Read: I have never opened a history book in my life, but despite that, please listen to me because I am busy preaching atop a moral pedestal, thus making me right no matter what.

There's always need for violence when Nazis are involved.

Man, it's times like these that I wish people realized most of these differences in ideals could be solved via intelligent communication, or that thing humans evolved to be able to do better than anything else. Of course, that would involve people to stop drawing lines in the sand along with activating their almonds, and that shit's hard.


There is nothing 'heroic' about this because there is nothing brave about standing in a place with other people. I guess people assume this to be 'heroic' because having ideas is considered 'brave' in the era of ubiquitous digital garbage.

[prwraith]

Are you kidding, the first person to jump a girl scout is going to get demolished by any crowd. Sure it's brave-ish, but it's not terribly impressive when you know that you're untouchable.

[Raunchy]

Nazi is becoming almost as cringeworthy and embarrassing as people calling trump sn orange cheeto lol its so cringeworthy and stupid lol

[ati87]

Dream on boy

What a excellent argument, keep on going like this and I'm sure people will believe you

[StayTuned]

What a excellent argument, keep on going like this and I'm sure people will believe you

What do you need "arguments" for? That Antifa is shit that's just as bad as neo nazis? Hate is hate. There's my argument.

[Endus]

Through force, violence and censorial tactics. This is textbook facism. Endus, please.

Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Or take your pick from here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

None of these definitions remotely apply to Antifa. And don't cherry-pick one of the definitions there with 12+ items, and argue that Antifa is "fascist" because it hits 3 or 4 points on that list; fascism by those definitions must hit all points.

This isn't even a defense of Antifa; plenty of bad organizations aren't fascist organizations. You're just flat-out using the word incorrectly.

Why is it that as soon as it is convenient for them to do so, people ignore important parts, like the fact that other ANTIFA outfits exist and are predominantly using the tactics I've detailed above, thus painting all outfits of ANTIFA in a heavily negative light even if there are outfits which focus on peaceful protest?

Because you're trying to slander a 16 year old girl for things she isn't involved in and hasn't done. It's not because it's "convenient for us to do so", you're literally making up bullshit to attack a child, and for what? Having the guts to non-violently protest neo-nazis?

So, the only thing I get from this is that you believe people who think ANTIFA is detrimental have an incorrectly weighted perception because the vast majority of times ANTIFA shows up, they're extremely hostile and violent, yet one time out of many they act reasonably, and this one time somehow outweighs the many others because of mysterious, undocumented ANTIFA protests that nobody has heard about but totally happen because you're implying they do?

I like pretzels as much as the next person, but not when it comes to logic and arguing.

No, I'm saying that if you want to condemn people for violent behaviour, maybe pick an instance where there was violent behaviour, rather than picking on a 16-year old kid who was peaceful and nonviolent, because you don't like what you think her socks might possibly mean.

[Zython]

There is always a need for prisons to hold those who endanger democracy

You and i may not entirely agree on who these people might be.

Historically, it's the Nazis that are a threat to democracy.

People who seek to do their political work with violence is who i here consider the threat to democracy.

So the police and military are threats to democracy?

[ranzino]

So the police and military are threats to democracy?

oh, it happens.