US Navy SEAL training

[Wiyld]

I think what the OP is getting at is this question: Is there a civilian organization/business of some sort that (for a fee of course) provides the same training to civilians that SEALS get?

which of course, no, there obviously wouldn't be as if there was then the special forces folks would see fit to surpass that training to still be better

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No, the Coast guard are separate from the Navy in the US, and the Coast guard has a grandfather clause or whatever you are supposed to call it, so you would be back at the coast guard (presumably).

The coast guard has shitty jobs too which is what I am getting at, if you drop out of a higher tier course they will find you a place to work and you will not like it.

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I think what the OP is getting at is this question: Is there a civilian organization/business of some sort that (for a fee of course) provides the same training to civilians that SEALS get?

possibly.
I know a guy working for a "PMC" (they really aren't) and they give 2 month long intensive courses that is supposed to be pretty hardcore (clearly not SEAL, hardcore, but still).
So in the US, maybe.

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watch lots of SEAL based movies.
You know the ones, where they run on the beach, lift boats over their heads, go swimming. run on the beach some more. Drink a few beers, wake up on the beach, go running. do some target practice, go swimming some more, get encouragement from their new best friend who keeps telling them they can make it, get woken up by trainers throwing stun grenades into your sleeping quarters, Do an assault course, go swimming, Run on the sand, then finally ring a bell when they wash out.

Because that my friend, is the closest you are likely ever get to SEAL training.

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The coast guard has shitty jobs too which is what I am getting at, if you drop out of a higher tier course they will find you a place to work and you will not like it.

but presumably, you can quit the coast guards with like 3 months notice.

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How does "cross force" thing work in the US? Can someone from eg. the Army or Marines apply for Navy SEAL's? Or if you've been in the Marines, can you join/apply to some Army job or training?

Presumably, Marines can apply, but the Coast guard can also apply to the course.

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but presumably, you can quit the coast guards with like 3 months notice.

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Presumably, Marines can apply, but the Coast guard can also apply to the course.

Only in make believe land, they get you for 4 years give or take depending on the contract you sign.

[McFuu]

Does not work like that as they would reclass you into shittier role, you could always cripple yourself for a quick medical discharge but that kind of defeats the point in getting such specialist training to begin with.

Technically there is no specialist training happening at BUDs, just guys getting the hell kicked out of them to see what they are made of.
As it goes for reclassifying guys who make it late into training or through it, I don't think the Navy/SOCOM operates this way for Seals. I know MARSOC does this, if you pass Indoc but don't exactly get chosen for training, you can go to a special operations battalion, filling a role, most likely your old MOS, but for MARSOC.

I think what the OP is getting at is this question: Is there a civilian organization/business of some sort that (for a fee of course) provides the same training to civilians that SEALS get?

Oh... Then definitely not. No insurance company would ever insure a business that purposely put their clients in danger like this. LLC protections only go so far.

And I'd be weary of any company claiming to offer this "experience". It's not an experience or really training. It's simulated survival if you had to call it anything.

[bloodrunner]

There is more to it than just being in shape and shooting a few rounds. The most difficult part is mental, to make yourself keep going especially when your body is totally used up. The dropout rate is very high because of that. There are lots of folks that can do the physical, but cant keep it together with no sleep and exhaustion.

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Only in make believe land, they get you for 4 years give or take depending on the contract you sign.

sounds unlikely, they are a civilian organisation after all.
But i must admit, i have no clue as to the hiring policies of the US coast guard.

[cubby]

So let's say I wanted to do the required training to become a Navy SEAL but had no intentions of joining them. Like right now I'm a certified lifeguard even though I've never held a lifeguarding job before. Is this possible??

I think the training is cool and would like to experience something like it!

There are Military-esque boot camps that can give you similar training - but they will cost you money. You would probably have to pay through the nose, however, to even remotely come close to the skill set obtained after BUDs Training completion.

You're talking about:

Weapons
Fitness
Diving
Demolition
Underwater Demolition
HALO/LALO

You're looking at 6 months of training, at least.

More that I can't think of off-hand. But if you're in good physical shape already, and have the money, you could do it. I think it would fun, but I'm not in shape and don't have the cash. Plus, my wife would probably laugh me out of the room if I suggested it.

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sounds unlikely, they are a civilian organisation after all.
But i must admit, i have no clue as to the hiring policies of the US coast guard.

Enlistment contracts are for 8 years. The most common contracts consist of 4 years active duty and 4 years in the inactive reserve component. Three, four or six year active duty contracts may be offered in some cases.

https://www.gocoastguard.com/faq

The website may be wrong but it looks legit to me.

[McFuu]

sounds unlikely, they are a civilian organisation after all.
But i must admit, i have no clue as to the hiring policies of the US coast guard.

Coast Guard is military, they are the only military branch with a non-military mission. They also have a very difficult boot-camp to go through.

[Ehrenpanzer]

You cannot get legit military training without actually joining the military, you need the misery and suffering that civilian run courses cannot provide.

So much this...... any half-assed fitness instructor can give you an "army workout regime", experiencing the real thing is something totally different.

[ohiostate124]

Just join the navy and sign up to be a seal. When you sign up for the military it's an open ended contract so you can get out any time you want. You just have to give them 30 days notice.

Yeah op do this. You can get out anytime you want.

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So much this...... any half-assed fitness instructor can give you an "army workout regime", experiencing the real thing is something totally different.

A civilian can never crush your heart by promising weekend leave only to snatch it away at last minute, yes I am still bitter.

[Jayburner]

what i want to know is this...can a navy seal beat an MMA fighter ..no weapons, just their skills.

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what i want to know is this...can a navy seal beat an MMA fighter ..no weapons, just their skills.

MMA fighter wins.

[Wiyld]

So much this...... any half-assed fitness instructor can give you an "army workout regime", experiencing the real thing is something totally different.

Well thats just it...BUDS isn't about physical training....if anything it is the opposite. You dont join it to get into shape...you get into shape before hand THEN BUDS will beat you almost (occasionally to) death. You likely come out the other end in far worse shape then you went in. Its a huge test, not a fitness program. You get starved, heavily sleep deprived, overworked to the max and then mentally tested....

This is why the running joke about 'i went through seal training now im a tough internet bro' joke exists. The statement that 'seal training' made you a hardass is the joke itself...you had to be a hardass to get in, in the first place.

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what i want to know is this...can a navy seal beat an MMA fighter ..no weapons, just their skills.

An MMA fighter trains to fight bare handed every single day, they would kick the shit out of any SEAL that is not doing equal training.

[Hammerfest]

So let's say I wanted to do the required training to become a Navy SEAL but had no intentions of joining them. Like right now I'm a certified lifeguard even though I've never held a lifeguarding job before. Is this possible??

No. The only way to be qualified as a Navy SEAL ("certified" as your analogy calls it) is to become a Navy SEAL. You've got to earn that Budweiser pin.