1. #1241
    Quote Originally Posted by Eskendereya View Post
    The real story is the intelligence community acting as their own shadow government continuously leaking things to the press that should never be leaked. Whether it's one person or many, these people are undermining democracy taking it upon themselves deciding who they want in office or not.

    It appears Trump shared knowledge of a possible terrorist situation with the Russians but didn't give any important details like who, when and where but of course this story is going to be overblown as usual.
    Yeah, it's being overblown, by other intelligence agencies from other countries who have said that they might stop sharing intelligence with the US because of this.

    Totally overblown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brubear View Post
    See the article I just linked and/or Trumps Twitter feed from this morning. He just confirmed that it was true.
    Trump gave a warring about a new terrorist tactic of turning laptops into bombs. Which was already published by the New York times in March.


  3. #1243
    Quote Originally Posted by Eskendereya View Post
    The real story is the intelligence community acting as their own shadow government continuously leaking things to the press that should never be leaked. Whether it's one person or many, these people are undermining democracy taking it upon themselves deciding who they want in office or not.

    It appears Trump shared knowledge of a possible terrorist situation with the Russians but didn't give any important details like who, when and where but of course this story is going to be overblown as usual.
    It hasn't been the IC leaking it. It's been Trump's own staffers and advisers. The IC has been pretty hush hush while the White House staff are leaking things like a flood because they're pissed at how Trump is running the place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    From my perspective it is an uncle who was is a "simple" slat of the earth person, who has religous beliefs I may or may not fully agree with, but who in the end of the day wants to go hope, kiss his wife, and kids, and enjoy their company.
    Connal defending child molestation

  4. #1244
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brubear View Post
    So not only was this story confirmed by Trump this morning, but now European officials are saying they might stop sharing intelligence info with us because of Trump being a risk to leak said info.
    I expected nothing less.

    It's sad how dependant Europe has become on other countries. We're so deprived of any actual power and resources half the continent would go to hell if the EU continues its downward spiral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskendereya View Post
    The real story is the intelligence community acting as their own shadow government continuously leaking things to the press that should never be leaked. Whether it's one person or many, these people are undermining democracy taking it upon themselves deciding who they want in office or not.

    It appears Trump shared knowledge of a possible terrorist situation with the Russians but didn't give any important details like who, when and where but of course this story is going to be overblown as usual.
    If you read Erick Erickson's confirmation story, it was partially leaked by Pro-Trump people within the administration. Or they were Pro-Trump.

    This is what happens when a leader demands unquestioning loyalty but offers none himself. This has nothing to do with the "deep state" or anything else. This is his own support staff betraying him. Because they are disgusted and outraged with his behavior.

    Also once again, this was not America's intelligence to share. We did not collect it. We were given it. It was intelligence provided by an ally on condition we don't share it (yet), because it was their man at risk. We did not ask their permission to share it and we did not share it even with our closest allies. Imagine if an ally had done something like that to us?

    This is goddamn Golden-Rule shit: "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
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  6. #1246
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathreim View Post
    Trump gave a warring about a new terrorist tactic of turning laptops into bombs. Which was already published by the New York times in March.

    Again, Trump admitted he shared classified information. That means that he shared more than what was in the story that broke in March. And given that just yesterday the White House was saying the story was completely false (which now Trump himself is saying isn't entirely true), pardon me if I'm taking statements from the White House officials with a grain of salt. This is the second major story in a row where the administration has trotted out one narrative only for Trump to divebomb it later by admitting otherwise.
    Last edited by Brubear; 2017-05-16 at 03:20 PM.

  7. #1247
    Quote Originally Posted by Beste Kerel View Post
    I expected nothing less.

    It's sad how dependant Europe has become on other countries. We're so deprived of any actual power and resources half the continent would go to hell if the EU continues its downward spiral.
    The EU needs to grow in power in unity. It's very clear that until the US resolves it's political crisis at home, the free world is under threat due to the lack of a leader and we're too dangerous to be one right now. Our house is not in order. It must be made right and will be, but that will taken time.

    Europe must be that leader since right now, as in the mist of our national psychotic episode, we cannot be.

  8. #1248
    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalkinDude View Post
    So you're saying intelligence officials broke the law by allegedly sharing details with retired officials who no longer have a need to know? Again, people actually present refute this claim. But because it's Trump, you accept the word and opinions of retired government personnel with no first hand knowledge. In a court room this is called hearsay. In the media, it's called creating a story and getting camera time.
    Who said they are retired? And why all this whataboutism?

    The issue at hand is Trump shared code word (top level security clearance) intelligence with Russia, potentially compromising an on the ground agent of an ally. That has all sorts of negative impacts for us, ranging from loosing access to such intelligence in the future, to reputational damage.

    Stick to the topic at hand which is this.

    Oh and no, noone has refuted it. If they have provide me with a single credible source which states this or words akin to this -
    "Donald Trump did not share top secret level information with the Russian ambassador".
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    So, we are supposed to take some random nutjob from youtube seriously? Well done you.
    Would it kill you to look at an alternate or opposing viewpoint? I rather think that it would not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packers01 View Post
    Like the world being flat?
    Don't get him started.

  11. #1251
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    I do not know what was declassified or even if it was. If he did, the part he declassified may have been good ( or at least some thought it was who are more qualified to make that determination than I am. ) if he wants help from the Russians in defeating ISIS.
    Trump openly admitted to sharing the info, and implied it was classified by claiming he had a "right" as President to share it.
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    I am ACTUALLY ASKING for them to ban me and relieve me from the misery of this thread.

  12. #1252
    Quote Originally Posted by javen View Post
    It's information that our enemies didn't know we had. Now they do.
    Oh, come on... You seriously think Russia doesn't have full list of countries supplying intelligence to US, and all parties involved with ISIS?

    Also, Russia isn't your enemy in regard to ISIS. Everyone wants them gone.

    If they know the US has the information, they know that someone must have given it to them. There's also a good chance they know who would have had that information on their side.
    But we already knew that you have information about some kind of terror plot involving laptops. That was quite obvious.

    You also have no information on which to base assessment on how big is this reveal to Russian intelligence on ISIS. It can be huge, but most likely it will not even make a single paragraph in intelligence assessment that will be completely forgotten in a few weeks.

  13. #1253
    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post
    Would it kill you to look at an alternate or opposing viewpoint? I rather think that it would not.
    Why always the nutties say: "Look from an alternate viewpoint"
    No, thats not a valid argument
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Why always the nutties say: "Look from an alternate viewpoint"
    No, thats not a valid argument
    Well in this case even the "alternative facts" say that Trump shared intel with the Russians, just that it's no problem because, hey, if the president does it then it's not illegal....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post
    Would it kill you to look at an alternate or opposing viewpoint? I rather think that it would not.
    Yeah, an alternative viewpoint that ignores reality. Get real.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redtower View Post
    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

  16. #1256
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathreim View Post
    Trump gave a warring about a new terrorist tactic of turning laptops into bombs. Which was already published by the New York times in March.

    By your own logic, what kind of dumba...s would "share" a "highly classified" information which was in news paper 2 months ago? Clearly this "information" was neither classified nor did it carry any value at this point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinykong View Post
    Trump openly admitted to sharing the info, and implied it was classified by claiming he had a "right" as President to share it.
    The problem isn't that its classified according to Washington Post a foreign Intel agency gave us the info and we should have asked them first before sharing. But thats not a law its just common courtesy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by araine View Post
    And i am sure you would support Hillary or Obama leaking highly classified information to a Russia. Really that you cant see the problem here is the main problem we have in USA today that some are so blind to the facts around them that they just cant see the forest infront of them due to all the trees i guess.

    Really if Obama had been taking 4 months straight of golf weekends on the taxpayer dime and done the other things donny have been doing up until now he would been removed from office already and YOU would be one of them screaming the loudest about how totally unfit he is for office and lock up the idiot etc etc etc etc.
    But people were screaming about similar things during Obama's reign. Hell, remember "more flexibility after election" hot mic moment with Medvedev? That's more collusion with Russia then anyone ever proved for Trump. And Obama wasn't removed from office.

    Also, most of the stuff Donny abuses now was created by Obama - like president ability to share anything with anyone on terror plots on whim.

    Really personally i agree if Obama had done these things he should be gone lock him up for treason no way i will support an idiot that commits TREASON in the white house country over party bro country over party and If your president is corrupt he has to go period end of discussion.
    He did, he wasn't, and neither will Trump. Time to accept it.

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    but her e-mails guys
    the e-mails

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathreim View Post
    The problem isn't that its classified according to Washington Post a foreign Intel agency gave us the info and we should have asked them first before sharing. But thats not a law its just common courtesy.
    A courtesy where violating it is already jeopardizing our intelligence relations with allies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    From my perspective it is an uncle who was is a "simple" slat of the earth person, who has religous beliefs I may or may not fully agree with, but who in the end of the day wants to go hope, kiss his wife, and kids, and enjoy their company.
    Connal defending child molestation

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