Michael Flynn committed Treason

[KyleEverett]

Through a combination of stories that came out yesterday, it seems pretty clear to me that Michael Flynn directly aided ISIS while acting as a foreign agent for Turkey.

The Miami Herald reports that it was Flynn who told the Obama administration at the very end of his term not to work with Syrian Kurds to retake the de facto capital of ISIS in Raqqa. The reason the Obama administration asked the Trump transition is because the operation would start after the inauguration. Turkey considers all Kurds to be terrorists or at least enemies of their state so to have an agent of Turkey sideline the Syrian Kurds is hardly surprising. The treason part comes in that this delay in attacking Raqqa could be considered material aid to an enemy of the United States. Regardless though Flynn was clearly acting against the interests of the United States for his own personal profit.

To make it worse The New York Times reported that Flynn knew he was under investigation by the FBI for his foreign connections and told the Trump transition team about it on January 4th. Well before the Trump team has said it knew. The person who headed the transition was the Vice President. This puts Pence in the very awkward position of having lied multiple times about when he knew Flynn was compromised.

We also know now that after Flynn was forced to resign that Trump tried to get the FBI to "let this go" which would appear imply that Trump knew about all of this the entire time despite him saying he only found out from news reports.

Combined all of this makes it look like both the President and Vice President were at best tolerant of letting Flynn influence American foreign policy for profit, or worse complicit it acting against American interests.

[Independent voter]

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

-- Constitution



It's the only crime described in the Constitution and it's extremely hard to prove. They did it because back in 1776 Kings would lock people for trivial offenses and kings justified it by accusing people of "treason".

[Kontinuum]

It's treason, then.

[jdbond592]

But he is a good guy, so we should let it go.

[Deleted]

Through a combination of stories that came out yesterday, it seems pretty clear to me that Michael Flynn directly aided ISIS while acting as a foreign agent for Turkey.

The Miami Herald reports that it was Flynn who told the Obama administration at the very end of his term not to work with Syrian Kurds to retake the de facto capital of ISIS in Raqqa. The reason the Obama administration asked the Trump transition is because the operation would start after the inauguration. Turkey considers all Kurds to be terrorists or at least enemies of their state so to have an agent of Turkey sideline the Syrian Kurds is hardly surprising. The treason part comes in that this delay in attacking Raqqa could be considered material aid to an enemy of the United States. Regardless though Flynn was clearly acting against the interests of the United States for his own personal profit.

To make it worse The New York Times reported that Flynn knew he was under investigation by the FBI for his foreign connections and told the Trump transition team about it on January 4th. Well before the Trump team has said it knew. The person who headed the transition was the Vice President. This puts Pence in the very awkward position of having lied multiple times about when he knew Flynn was compromised.

We also know now that after Flynn was forced to resign that Trump tried to get the FBI to "let this go" which would appear imply that Trump knew about all of this the entire time despite him saying he only found out from news reports.

Combined all of this makes it look like both the President and Vice President were at best tolerant of letting Flynn influence American foreign policy for profit, or worse complicit it acting against American interests.

You do know that Turkey is a strategically important ally, and has been for decades?
Even if it consigned the entirety of Syria to ISIS, fucking the Kurds over might still be in the best interest of the US.

[Paranoid Android]

I thought Trumpsters had a shit fit when they thought that a foreign power would use their money from the Clinton Foundation to influence Hillary. I'm not defending Clinton Foundation, but I bet Trumpsters will spin this shit.

How many fucking scandals can you have in a week?

Thanks Trumpkins for electing this shit show.

[Deleted]

Well according to part of the article you linked it's not treason. That being said he's fucked now as he was paid by Turkey and pushed for a decision aligned with its interests. Even if they weren't connected he's fucked because his contract wasn't disclosed until just now.

[Noomz]

Through a combination of stories that came out yesterday, it seems pretty clear to me that Michael Flynn directly aided ISIS while acting as a foreign agent for Turkey.

The Miami Herald reports that it was Flynn who told the Obama administration at the very end of his term not to work with Syrian Kurds to retake the de facto capital of ISIS in Raqqa. The reason the Obama administration asked the Trump transition is because the operation would start after the inauguration. Turkey considers all Kurds to be terrorists or at least enemies of their state so to have an agent of Turkey sideline the Syrian Kurds is hardly surprising. The treason part comes in that this delay in attacking Raqqa could be considered material aid to an enemy of the United States. Regardless though Flynn was clearly acting against the interests of the United States for his own personal profit.

To make it worse The New York Times reported that Flynn knew he was under investigation by the FBI for his foreign connections and told the Trump transition team about it on January 4th. Well before the Trump team has said it knew. The person who headed the transition was the Vice President. This puts Pence in the very awkward position of having lied multiple times about when he knew Flynn was compromised.

We also know now that after Flynn was forced to resign that Trump tried to get the FBI to "let this go" which would appear imply that Trump knew about all of this the entire time despite him saying he only found out from news reports.

Combined all of this makes it look like both the President and Vice President were at best tolerant of letting Flynn influence American foreign policy for profit, or worse complicit it acting against American interests.

You're stretching this really, really far.

[TZucchini]

To make it worse The New York Times reported that Flynn knew he was under investigation by the FBI for his foreign connections and told the Trump transition team

Which is peculiar, because the good Mike Pence, when asked about Flynn's status as a foreign agent, said:

“Well, let me say, hearing that story today was the first I’d heard of it. And I fully support the decision that President Trump made to ask for General Flynn’s resignation.”

So Mike Pence lied to the American people. It was already disclosed to him. Why do these people keep lying about all things Russia-related?

[Stormspark]

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

-- Constitution



It's the only crime described in the Constitution and it's extremely hard to prove. They did it because back in 1776 Kings would lock people for trivial offenses and kings justified it by accusing people of "treason".

Yeah unfortunately I don't think any of Trump's administration will get charged with treason just for this very reason. It would be nice. But I'm sure they'll be charged with something and removed regardless. Treason is explicitly defined in the constitution and very deliberately very very very difficult to make stick, they only wanted it used in really egregious cases because of how it was abused in the UK before we split from them. I don't think they're going to pursue treason...they won't need to.

[Stop Pretending]

As Trump would say, " He dindu nuffin". I'm not sure if I used it properly, any Trumpkins care to chime in?

[Venant]

As Trump would say, " He dindu nuffin". I'm not sure if I used it properly, any Trumpkins care to chime in?

Do we really need to even respond to something so blatantly idiotic as Turkey = ISIS?

[NYC17]

Do we really need to even respond to something so blatantly idiotic as Turkey = ISIS?

Just to be clear, is the claim here that Trumpeteers are somehow above and beyond idiocy?

Ha. Ha.

[Taneras]

How many fucking scandals can you have in a week?

As many as the dishonest media can cook up, and yes this applies to Fox News/Rush Radio/etc during Obama's 8 years. The only difference here is most media does lean left so it can push stories a bit better.

[alexw]

Which is peculiar, because the good Mike Pence, when asked about Flynn's status as a foreign agent, said:

“Well, let me say, hearing that story today was the first I’d heard of it. And I fully support the decision that President Trump made to ask for General Flynn’s resignation.”

So Mike Pence lied to the American people. It was already disclosed to him. Why do these people keep lying about all things Russia-related?

And this is a garbage non-answer by pence. He is saying that this is the first time he heard someone report it in the press, while trying to make it seem likes he's denying that any of it happened. Traitorous scum. He needs kicking out too.

[GennGreymane]

Its difficult to prove, so good luck.

[NYC17]

Its difficult to prove, so good luck.

Agreed.

Yet...Trump's clown show seems to be trying to help make it as easy as possible.

[Vyuvarax]

Treason in regards to Turkey would be difficult as they are not an American enemy. However, Flynn accepting money to influence opinion on Turkey related interests can be used to aid in a case that he did the same for Russia, and that would be treason.

[Deleted]

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

-- Constitution



It's the only crime described in the Constitution and it's extremely hard to prove. They did it because back in 1776 Kings would lock people for trivial offenses and kings justified it by accusing people of "treason".

It can be proven quite fast once they start digging into Flynn's history.

That two witness thing isn't really that important to proving treason if there's enough evidence pointing towards that said treason.

[Felya]

As many as the dishonest media can cook up, and yes this applies to Fox News/Rush Radio/etc during Obama's 8 years. The only difference here is most media does lean left so it can push stories a bit better.

That's the only difference? You should read more of Trump tweets, because he is claiming he is the most mistreated politician ever. He said it with surety...

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It can be proven quite fast once they start digging into Flynn's history.

That two witness thing isn't really that important to proving treason if there's enough evidence pointing towards that said treason.

I'm sure him lying to Pence, who then repeated it to American people, created a whole lot of witnesses.