UK PM Theresa May to seek snap election.

[JohnBrown1917]

You are just jealous of the superior North English democracy.

I can't deny the superiority of best Korea...

[dribbles]

You really have something against the Dutch, don't you?

Nah I am compelled to love them, my wife is half dutch, doesn't stop their electoral system being a dogs breakfast though. See I am good European, could probably live there if I wanted Brexit or no Brexit.

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Nah I am compelled to love them, my wife is half dutch, doesn't stop their electoral system being a dogs breakfast though. See I am good European, could probably live there if I wanted Brexit or no Brexit.

You married a foreigner?!
Race traitor!





(the above was clearly sarcasm)

[dribbles]

You married a foreigner?!
Race traitor!





(the above was clearly sarcasm)

Sorry not being goblinist, but it was more of a height thing lol

[Zarc]

Can Rutte pass any new legislation in the Dutch parliament? Amend any existing? No he is not a Prime Minister, with only 30 ish seats in the 150 seat house he is an Impotent Minister. Hypothetically if all the little parties, and who knows how bad this seasons immigrant crisis will be by the time the Dutch do have a PM, sided with Wilders he would be the PM. The Dutch currently are rudderless - they wouldn't be if they had used the superior fptp.

I'm sorry, but as a matter of fact he is the Prime Minister. Furthermore a Prime Minister has never been able to pass new legislation, because the Prime Minister is the head of the executive branch, not the legislative. Parliament passes new legislation, the government executes it and administers the day-to-day functioning of the state. Parliament elects the Prime Minister, the most recently elected Prime Minister and thus the incumbent is Mark Rutte. This is a fact, not a matter of opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_...he_Netherlands

Explained it way better than I could, or maybe i'm just lazy.

The only one who is lazy is dribbles who won't turn his brain on to absorb current reality and educate himself on how parliamentary democracy works. >.<

[dribbles]

I'm sorry, but as a matter of fact he is the Prime Minister. Furthermore a Prime Minister has never been able to pass new legislation, because the Prime Minister is the head of the executive branch, not the legislative. Parliament passes new legislation, the government executes it and administers the day-to-day functioning of the state. Parliament elects the Prime Minister, the most recently elected Prime Minister and thus the incumbent is Mark Rutte. This is a fact, not a matter of opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_...he_Netherlands

Well I am sorry too, but no parliament ever elects the Prime Minister. He is appointed as leader of a political party in accordance to the rules of that party who must then win a general election. In the case of Mark (I wannabe PM) Rutte he is the current leader of the VVD party, no less no more, without any working majority in the Dutch parliamentary house.

A Prime Minister and the right to that title live and die on the ability to command a majority in their parliament. Rutte has no more of a working majority in the Dutch parliament than you, I, himself or indeed Geert Wilders.

This is fact, not opinion.

All Mark Rutte (wannabe pm) can currently do in the Netherlands is pick tulips and smoke pot like you and I, anything more substantive and he doesn't have his parliaments democratic backing ergo he is not the Dutch Prime Minister and has no right to call himself such.

[JohnBrown1917]

Well I am sorry too, but no parliament ever elects the Prime Minister. He is appointed as leader of a political party in accordance to the rules of that party who must then win a general election. In the case of Mark (I wannabe PM) Rutte he is the current leader of the VVD party, no less no more, without any working majority in the Dutch parliamentary house.

A Prime Minister and the right to that title live and die on the ability to command a majority in their parliament. Rutte has no more of a working majority in the Dutch parliament than you, I, himself or indeed Geert Wilders.

This is fact, not opinion.

All Mark Rutte (wannabe pm) can currently do in the Netherlands is pick tulips and smoke pot like you and I, anything more substantive and he doesn't have his parliaments democratic backing ergo he is not the Dutch Prime Minister and has no right to call himself such.

We gave him that right. Get over it.

[Fleuria]

Was gonna vote Tory but given the disaster that ensued with the god awful manifesto, probably just gonna throw a vote to Labour and strengthen my MPs majority.

How does some one make an election that should of been as safe as can be even possibly making +50 gains into an election that is absolutely wide open, all she had to do was put a reasonable manifesto out for life after brexit but nope lets kill foxes and rob peoples inheritance instead.

Now I personally hope some sort of progressive alliance forms to at least keep Labour possibly in check.

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Was gonna vote Tory but given the disaster that ensued with the god awful manifesto, probably just gonna throw a vote to Labour and strengthen my MPs majority.

How does some one make an election that should of been as safe as can be even possibly making +50 gains into an election that is absolutely wide open, all she had to do was put a reasonable manifesto out for life after brexit but nope lets kill foxes and rob peoples inheritance instead.

Now I personally hope some sort of progressive alliance forms to at least keep Labour possibly in check.

I think May is squandering her lead, i think she will win still, but not with as large a majority that was expected. Im still unsure of who to vote for as i don't really like any of the manifestos, leaders or party pledges right now. What a shit election all round, doesn't seem like theres one reasonable party anywhere.

[Activi-T]

It's a case of fiscal realism against fairytale finances.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I think May is squandering her lead, i think she will win still, but not with as large a majority that was expected. Im still unsure of who to vote for as i don't really like any of the manifestos, leaders or party pledges right now. What a shit election all round, doesn't seem like theres one reasonable party anywhere.

If you want to continue with the process of selling the country off to billionaires and foreign governments, then vote Tory. If you believe that the slogan about "taking back control" that was used to frequently during Brexit should mean something for the 99%, rather than just the 1%, then vote Labour.

Other reasons for voting Tory:

You want the rich to get even richer.
You want the foreign billionaires that own most of the MSM to get the people running the country that they want.
You want your elderly relatives to be at risk of losing their homes if they get ill.
You want the profits of things like railways to continue to be invested into the railways of France and Germany, rather than the UK.
You believe that fox-hunting is a great traditional way to control fox numbers and in no way a rich persons blood sport.

There are plenty more reasons to vote Tory, but most revolve around the same thing. Make life worse for most people, so that more and more money can be redirected into the pockets of themselves and their rich backers. So if you are extremely well off, then a vote for the Tories makes complete sense. If you are a normal average person, like most of us, then it probably doesn't.

British workers have experienced their worst real term fall in wages for 70 years since the Tories started their austerity process in 2010. While the richest part of the population increased their wealth by 14% last year alone. More children falling into poverty, though we no longer no how many because the Tories stopped counting. The disabled having to face a draconian assessment process, that costs significantly more to run than it saves in benefits. But that cost is going to a large corporation that helps to fund the Tories, rather than disabled people. So that's alright then.

I could go on, but it depresses me. If things like this can't help you to understand that there is a genuine choice available this election, then I don't know what will. Who you choose to vote for is up to you, of course. But don't make this about whether you have a personal dislike for one leader or another. Look at the track record of the party in power, and ask yourself whether there can be another way, a fairer way. I believe there is, and I believe that we need to try something different to the last 7 years.

I would rather fail trying to do the right thing, than succeed in a path that is destroying all the good things that this country built up from the rubble of WW2. Education, social housing, the NHS. The people helped to make those possible, with the aim of passing them down from generation to generation. One party wants to sell them all off, and if you vote Tory you agree that we should do.

[Fleuria]

I would rather fail trying to do the right thing, than succeed in a path that is destroying all the good things that this country built up from the rubble of WW2. Education, social housing, the NHS. The people helped to make those possible, with the aim of passing them down from generation to generation. One party wants to sell them all off, and if you vote Tory you agree that we should do.

So would I though but with all the infighting that is going on in Labour many of their policies will just fall flat on its face, it's why I'd personally much rather see a progressive alliance, so some of his front bench picks would have to be removed for them to form a coalition which may actually favour him in the longer run.

However with all the negative press, it's gonna still be extremely hard for Labour to turn over many Tory strong holds / swing seats in the majority of England that isn't situated in or around a major city(which tend to be already Labour anyway). More than likely going to be a 2 election process best I think he will get is being able to form a coalition with SNP/LD currently.

[paralleluniverse]

It's a case of fiscal realism against fairytale finances.

It's a case of fiscal realism (Labour; investments in infrastructure, tax hikes on the rich to expand social services, a fiscal rule developed by actual economics professors) against fairytale finances (Conservative; no manifesto costing despite all their phony deficit fetishism, tax cuts for the rich, austerity for the poor, economically illiterate political bullshit).

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It's a case of fiscal realism (Labour; investments in infrastructure, tax hikes on the rich to expand social services, a fiscal rule developed by actual economics professors) against fairytale finances (Conservative; no manifesto costing despite all their phony deficit fetishism, tax cuts for the rich, austerity for the poor, economically illiterate political bullshit).

One of the biggest problems of the decade is the hatred against experts. Stupid experts, knowing they know the stuff they spent years and years to learn. I shout betterer, there for am righter.

Though, it seems like the gap is closing rapidly between Tory and Labour. Problem being with FPTP, they'd still get a majority, even with 40% or less of the votes. Because advanced British democracy. The infighting in Labour is quite the problem, which is in essence between those who are very socialist and those who are trying to be Tory Lite.

[Kallisto]

Labour had another spike in numbers it seems. Now if it is a real gain in support or the startings of the shy Tory is yet to be seen.

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Labour had another spike in numbers it seems. Now if it is a real gain in support or the startings of the shy Tory is yet to be seen.

Theresa May being Greedy and attempting to get a bigger slice of the middle ground pie. She went after pensioners to appease the younger generation, it backfired on her spectacularly.

[rogueMatthias]

Theresa May being Greedy and attempting to get a bigger slice of the middle ground pie. She went after pensioners to appease the younger generation, it backfired on her spectacularly.

Yeah I think she should just ignore the younger voters and concentrate on the traditional Labour supporters.

Corbyns "Free stuff for everybody" policies seem to be really loved by all the younger crowds and anyone who's not questioning how it will all be paid for. Too many people seem to genuinely believe that just continually raising taxes for anyone and everyone better of themselves will return more and more money for the government in a direct correlation. Might as well raise their taxes to 100% and we can all get 100% of the money back for the government to fund more free stuff for everyone lol.

A LOT of traditional Labour supporters I know have very "WTF" feelings about Corbyns policies, and most aren't happy with his team. Some (like Abbott) are objectively incompetent, and you get a feeling from them as a whole that they actually don't really like the UK all that much. These are the people she should really be targetting.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Corbyns "Free stuff for everybody" policies seem to be really loved by all the younger crowds and anyone who's not questioning how it will all be paid for.

I think you may be confused. The Labour manifesto was completely costed, they said exactly where they were getting the money from, and where it would be going. If you want to question something, it should be the Tory manifesto, with 50 uncosted promises. And judging from their performances on TV today, they have no idea how any of them are actually going to work, either.

you get a feeling from them as a whole that they actually don't really like the UK all that much

How do you get that impression? Is it from the fact that they want the Railways to be owned by the UK, rather than France and Germany? The Tory policy of selling the country off to foreign countries and billionaires somehow makes them love the country more?

What exactly makes it obvious that the Tory party loves any part of this country outside of the 1% that fund their party?

[Deleted]

BoJo strikes again! Now with 100% more economic blunders!

The question is, is he doing that because he's about as competent for his position as Hamish the Hairy Haggis, or because he hopes that lie will get him some voters. I hope it's the previous, sadly, since otherwise that means that the Tories are objectively evil, rather than callous, uncaring and incompetent.
@rogueMatthias, Abbott is incompetent, I can't argue there. As for the feeling of dislike - I think they dislike some aspects of it, and outwardly critisise some of them with less tact than they should have. I concede you probably know a lot more traditional Labour or Tory supporters like me (I live 300 meters away from the Scottish Parliament, so SNP is the loudest here). What are the Labour policies that drive the traditionalists away from Corbyn?

[Deleted]

Yeah I think she should just ignore the younger voters and concentrate on the traditional Labour supporters.

Corbyns "Free stuff for everybody" policies seem to be really loved by all the younger crowds and anyone who's not questioning how it will all be paid for. Too many people seem to genuinely believe that just continually raising taxes for anyone and everyone better of themselves will return more and more money for the government in a direct correlation. Might as well raise their taxes to 100% and we can all get 100% of the money back for the government to fund more free stuff for everyone lol.

A LOT of traditional Labour supporters I know have very "WTF" feelings about Corbyns policies, and most aren't happy with his team. Some (like Abbott) are objectively incompetent, and you get a feeling from them as a whole that they actually don't really like the UK all that much. These are the people she should really be targetting.

Yeah, I've had similar stories. Work taking me to the 2nd poorest city in the UK and you hear the same thing from people. one lady who worked in a call center for 13 years said she wasn't voting labor for the first time....