2 explosions in Manchester Arena - CONFIRMED Fatalities.

[Shinra1]

I don't care. No muslim can ever be a proper european person. Their moral beliefs are against everything we believe in.

Morality? You think Europe is morally superior to the rest of the world? Hahahahah Pick up a history book you nincompoop. Or better yet just remember to a few years ago and what the morally superior West did in Iraq.

[Feahnor]

Morality? You think Europe is morally superior to the rest of the world? Hahahahah Pick up a history book you nincompoop. Or better yet just remember to a few years ago and what the morally superior West did in Iraq.

¿My country? Nothing. Literally nothing. And yes, the individual (not the government, that's not what we're talking about) is morally superior to anyone who believes in Islam.

[Scathbais]

Morality? You think Europe is morally superior to the rest of the world? Hahahahah Pick up a history book you nincompoop. Or better yet just remember to a few years ago and what the morally superior West did in Iraq.

Removed a brutal dictator that was systematically murdering Iraqi Kurds?

[AeneasBK]

Unfortunately, it's also a monetary balance. Like it or not, humans aren't priceless.

I wouldn't be surprised if the cost of treating 59 victims was lower than the cost of rebuilding the foyer

[Dug]

It is 0% Tory's fault, 100% the fault of the suicide bomber and the deranged ideology that comes with it.

I wonder when you'll finally drop the act of intentionally misinterpreting what people say.

[Majestic12]

Islamic terrorism doesn't happen just in the west so it clearly has little to do with ruining middle east.

They target the West because of it, and the only reason they have any air at all is because the US destabilized the entire area. That's the cold hard truth.

[PC2]

I wonder when you'll finally drop the act of intentionally misinterpreting what people say.

His argument was entirely flawed.

[AeneasBK]

His argument was entirely flawed.

To be fair a number of people have said he should have been detained as soon as he came back from Libya. If we detained everyone coming back from foreign suspected countries we would need an awful lot more financial support for our security services.

Are you starting to see the connection here, cuz I can't really be arsed to spell it out any further.

[PC2]

They target the West because of it, and the only reason they have any air at all is because the US destabilized the entire area. That's the cold hard truth.

No you attack someone in a one-sided way if you don't like them. Blowing themselves up is motivated by martyrdom and the promise of heaven.

[Majestic12]

Is it our fult that muslims are slaughtering muslims to? Shia/sunni and all that thats been going on since their profet died? That is by far the biggest reason for deaths there.

They hate us so much that we only get like 0.1% of the violence the rest is muslims killing muslims. You can see that every singel day there.

Like I said, we destabilized the middle east. It's a power struggle/civil war now. The only reason ISIS got so much air was because of the state the U.S left the country. Even Donald Trump has admitted that, yet most of his followers still seem in denial.

[Mafic]

They target the West because of it, and the only reason they have any air at all is because the US destabilized the entire area. That's the cold hard truth.

Nope.

They do not like Democracy or women having freedom.

It is the most hardcore patriarchal culture of mankind and it is surprising to see leftists and liberals defend it.

[Shinra1]

Removed a brutal dictator that was systematically murdering Iraqi Kurds?

What did the Iraqi people do to deserve the carnage George W. Bush (Blair) unnecessarily forced on them? What did the poor children that America bombed recently in Syria deserve? They were at a school...

Your argument about morality is illogical.

[PC2]

Like I said, we destabilized the middle east. It's a power struggle/civil war now. The only reason ISIS got so much air was because of the state the U.S left the country. Even Donald Trump has admitted that, yet most of his followers still seem in denial.

How does this explain the person blowing themself up?

[Majestic12]

No you attack someone in a one-sided way if you don't like them. Blowing themselves up is motivated by martyrdom and the promise of heaven.

Do you even realize how miserable someone must be to do that?
Why wasn't this a big problem before?

When you answer those questions, you quickly realize that a human being is the product of his environment. The reason It's so big now has nothing to do with what's written in a book. It's just the form it takes. If Islam didn't exist, it'd just manifest through something else but the end result is the same.

[Mafic]

How does this explain the person blowing themself up?

Yup.

Most of the attacks are carried out by 2nd and 3rd generation citizens. They simply do not like western culture.

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Do you even realize how miserable someone must be to do that?
Why wasn't this a big problem before?

When you answer those questions, you quickly realize that a human being is the product of his environment. The reason It's so big now has nothing to do with what's written in a book. It's just the form it takes. If Islam didn't exist, it'd just manifest through something else but the end result is the same.

That kid blew himself up was from Manchester...this talk about sins made from forefathers is getting old and making excuses for these losers.

[Majestic12]

Nope.

They do not like Democracy or women having freedom.

It is the most hardcore patriarchal culture of mankind and it is surprising to see leftists and liberals defend it.

Most of us don't want to be tyrants or imperialists who want to force our way on to others. They are sovereign states and they deserve to run them the way they want. That has nothing to do with the West as their culture or law doesn't apply here.

[Cinaedus]

I just don't get why people are lashing out at ordinary Muslims, many of whom were born here and have lived here for generations, in response to the tragic attack. I even think that what piers Morgan said that Muslims in the UK should do more to condemn/denounce and report terrorists is scary and absurd.
Muslims are not a monolith, and Islam is like any other religion with believers of varying degrees of devotion to the faith, from the extremists to the fundimentalists to the conservatives and finally the moderates. You cannot tar all Muslims with the same brush. By the same logic it is akin to asking men to do more to stop rapists... How ridiculous.

Cause there is nothing as even a single condemnation from the higher ups of their faith. Indeed, the Saudi King, who calls himself the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, doesn't issue a statement and gets an inarticulate buffoon with a bad hairdo to do it in his stead. You would think that after claiming to want to distance Islam from the extreme elements, he would seize the opportunity to do so.

But then again, Wahhabism, the extreme interpretation of the Islamic faith, has its origins in Saudi Arabia and is still the state orthodoxy. If the moderates are not going to do more, then the nutjobs of the faith are going to become the black stain on their faith in a similar way the Nazi's are the eternal black stain on Germany.

[Majestic12]

You rightie guys who want to deport all muslims are the true champions of ISIS. You're basically working for them. You want the same thing, and you're allies. Let's not pretend any more, that's the cold hard truth.

[Mafic]

Most of us don't want to be tyrants or imperialists who want to force our way on to others. They are sovereign states and they deserve to run them the way they want. That has nothing to do with the West as their culture or law doesn't apply here.

The west isn't forcing their way of life onto their cultures. They realize their cultures is not adaptable for a high tech world so they resort to violence.

[Themerlin]

An enemy is always needed.