2 explosions in Manchester Arena - CONFIRMED Fatalities.

[Ivanstone]

Removed a brutal dictator that was systematically murdering Iraqi Kurds?

Saddam Hussein was a shitty fucking person.

Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi is a shittier fucking person.

Its almost like actions have consequences.

PS As shitty as Hussein was, Iraq was in some ways more moderate then surrounding Muslim nations.

[Dug]

His argument was entirely flawed.

Criticizing a lack of police force/funding that may have prevented something like this is not the same thing as blaming them for the terrorist attack...

[Sama-81]

You do realise that the IRA (or at least a group calling itself the IRA made up from Republican paramilitaries that refused to disarm after the Good Friday agreement) is still active, was considered a significant threat as recently as last year, may have a reason to begin campaigning if Brexit negotiations are unsatisfactory and most worryingly may have access to huge caches of weapons and explosives left over from the Troubles.

The fact that the attack was at a train station in Manchester (the Manchester Arena links directly to Victoria station) rather than a capital city was enough reason for me to immediately think it was the IRA when I heard about it.

I am quite familiar with the IRA, historically as well as the present situation. I also realize about how likely it was that it was a terrorist attack committed by the IRA, vs. a terrorist attack committed by some fanatic islamist. Anybody who has even a semblance of skills in the logical thinking-department, would IMMEDIATELY guess on the latter, while obviously adding a caveat that it COULD, conceivably albeit certainly not likely, be the former (or some other entity, naturally). If not already at first sight, then without a doubt after seeing the venue, and other similar details. And that isn't an opinion in the least, that is pure logic/statistics.

[Ivanstone]

Nope.

They do not like Democracy or women having freedom.

It is the most hardcore patriarchal culture of mankind and it is surprising to see leftists and liberals defend it.

I'm always in shock why Christian conservatives hate Islam. I'm like: "Isn't that what you want? Jealous?"

Or perhaps its possible to simultaneously condemn certain aspects of Islam, condemn extremism and still recognize that we live in nations where the rule of law is respected and that people are treated the same regardless of beliefs. That might require some nuanced thinking on your part.

PS Sometimes us dirty libtards are pushing back because we recognize that you're mad at Muslims not only because its a different religion but also because its frequently followed by people who are too brown for your tastes.

[sarahtasher]

As a specfic example of poorly thought out foreign policy, ATM, the Saudi armed forces are dropping missiles on anything but the Houthis rebels. Those missile are not only made in the USA and fired by American jets. The pilots are ''trained'' in firing at random by the USA. The maintenance is American. The air-fuelling is American. The recon imagery is American. Blackwater is allegedly on the front.

WHY the USA is supporting a campaign that will fail epically (the Saudi military is bad for an Arab military...which is something) against poor Yemenis that are Shias and thus not exactly prime ISIS recruits ?

[matt4pack]

As a specfic example of poorly thought out foreign policy, ATM, the Saudi armed forces are dropping missiles on anything but the Houthis rebels. Those missile are not only made in the USA and fired by American jets. The pilots are ''trained'' in firing at random by the USA. The maintenance is American. The air-fuelling is American. The recon imagery is American. Blackwater is allegedly on the front.

WHY the USA is supporting a campaign that will fail epically (the Saudi military is bad for an Arab military...which is something) against poor Yemenis that are Shias and thus not exactly prime ISIS recruits ?

Well why do so many leftest support removing Assad from power? The media is practically begging for it and Hillary would have fulfilled that disaster in the making.

That's much more poorly thought out then what's happening in Yemen.

[sarahtasher]

Well why do so many leftest support removing Assad from power? The media is practically begging for it and Hillary would have fulfilled that disaster in the making.

That's much more poorly thought out then what's happening in Yemen.

Who bombed Assad, Obama, Hillary or the dude that make William the Taciturn turn into his grave over turning the House of Orange as a mockery for centuries to come ?

FFS, bombing people you don't like and ruining countries is...not...a...strategy....You...tried...it....It...does...not...work.

[Mayhem]

It's not our problem people have a problem translating English.

English has words that mean multiple things, "crusade" has 2 or 3 definitions and one of those definitions means "campaign" for example. "We are going to launch a crusade against crime" is the same as "we are going to launch a campaign against crime".

No religion is involved in a "crusade against crime" they'll just hire more police and make sentencing laws tougher.

Yeah, it's not your problem if people misunderstand what you're saying and treat you accordingly, not like you could've used a different word or clearify your message.

[Gully Man]

Statement from the Didsbury mosque.

Starts around 15:30

[Jessicka]

One of his neighbors in his Libyan/Arab neighborhood. This is also another great example of how terrible and dangerous multiculturalism is. Segregated neighborhoods where a certain group lives so that they don't lose their culture seems to almost always inevitably end in terrorism. Either assimilate into the western culture, or don't come to our countries. These people need to stop bringing their violence and hate to our countries. Their culture of theocracy (Islamism) failed and made them flee to the West , yet they consistently bring it to us... and then try to force us to adapt towards them.

Lolwhut? Fallowfield is Student central, it is absolutely not under any kind of segregation; on the contrary it's probably the single most diverse place in the whole of Manchester. Whalley Range is just a working class part of Manchester, it's not much different (as in, it's about 2 miles, maybe less) from where I live. Again, it's not some kind of 'ghetto'.

It's honestly weird to hear anyone calling those places as any kind of X community.

[Nathreim]

http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wire...group-47608493

TLDR: Father of bomber was in Al Qaeda according to former Lybian Official.

So much for being able to vet these assholes.

[downnola]

Saddam Hussein was a shitty fucking person.

Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi is a shittier fucking person.

Its almost like actions have consequences.

PS As shitty as Hussein was, Iraq was in some ways more moderate then surrounding Muslim nations.

No, it wasn't. Iraq was well on it's way to becoming ISIS-light. Moderates don't build extravagant mosques in their own name, or attach "God is great" to the national flag.

[Deleted]

Just a thought.

Maybe the reason terrorists kill people is because of the endless free publicity generated, and the recruits/money etc that follow.

Which everyone in this thread is perpetutating. (even me).

Just a thought.

[matt4pack]

Like I said, we destabilized the middle east. It's a power struggle/civil war now. The only reason ISIS got so much air was because of the state the U.S left the country. Even Donald Trump has admitted that, yet most of his followers still seem in denial.

No Muslims destabilized the middle east. Did the west invent wahhabism? How about stopping with the excuses and putting the blame everywhere except where it really should be pointed which is sunni wahhabism.

What's happening now would be happening no matter what especially with the mass communication and fast travel available these days.

[Darkeon]

Just a thought.

Maybe the reason terrorists kill people is because of the endless free publicity generated, and the recruits/money etc that follow.

Which everyone in this thread is perpetutating. (even me).

Just a thought.

So pretend nothing happened, just like those meme-pictures? Gotcha.
And, just to clarify, shall we do "Nothing" before or after we change our facebook and twitter images?

[lonely zergling]

People also need to stop buying drugs as many terrorists often use this illegal market to finance their terror. Every single one of you drug users is responsible for supporting terrorists - wake up, stay away from drugs kids!

[Deleted]

No Muslims destabilized the middle east. Did the west invent wahhabism? How about stopping with the excuses and putting the blame everywhere except where it really should be pointed which is sunni wahhabism.

What's happening now would be happening no matter what especially with the mass communication and fast travel available these days.

Yeah when the west murders kids its different then when Mussies murder kids, Jeb.

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People also need to stop buying drugs as many terrorists often use this illegal market to finance their terror. Every single one of you drug users is responsible for supporting terrorists - wake up, stay away from drugs kids!

Just buy heroin to make sure it goes into the pockets of the CIA.

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So pretend nothing happened, just like those meme-pictures? Gotcha.
And, just to clarify, shall we do "Nothing" before or after we change our facebook and twitter images?

Well the "something" you people wanted has turned a four men and a dog movement into a global jihadi franchise, so yeah.

[Deleted]

Posting angry bullshit and opinions on the internet isn't doing something either. It's just as valuable as those people changing their facebook pictures.

Most people doing that usually want some kind of final solution.

[Jessicka]

http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wire...group-47608493

TLDR: Father of bomber was in Al Qaeda according to former Lybian Official.

So much for being able to vet these assholes.

Sounds like a reliable source...

[matt4pack]

Yeah when the west murders kids its different then when Mussies murder kids, Jeb.

How many Muslim kids have Muslims killed over the last 20 years? Yeah you don't give a damn about that I'm sure. It's the west's fault for derka derka jihab.