Why can't ISIS be defeated?

[Naiattavain]

That's not physically.

there was Afghanistan in 1980s they were kicked badly there. a us senator defeated them.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

It defeated itself when the countries that tried it were incapable of running their economies.

Again, that's not a physical defeat.

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there was Afghanistan in 1980s they were kicked badly there. a us senator defeated them.

Afghanistan didn't defeat communism anymore than Vietnam defeated capitalism

[Osmeric]

Again, that's not a physical defeat.

Economies aren't physical? Who knew!

[Naiattavain]

Again, that's not a physical defeat.

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Afghanistan didn't defeat communism anymore than Vietnam defeated democracy.

Vietnam was a political conflict not a war. a war consists of a declaration of war made by lower and upper house.

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Economies aren't physical? Who knew!

isis doesn't pay bills and so isis is finished.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Vietnam was a political conflict not a war. a war consists of a declaration of war made by lower and upper house.

Tell any vietnam vet that he didn't actually fight in a war...then you'll have a better idea of what a Physical Defeat really is.

[Naiattavain]

Tell any vietnam vet that he didn't actually fight in a war...then you'll have a better idea of what a Physical Defeat really is.

Collapse of the Soviet Union - 1989-1991 is enough evidence for me to show a defeat of communism. russia is today a totally different country.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Collapse of the Soviet Union - 1989-1991 is enough evidence for me to show a defeat of communism. russia is today a totally different country.

A defeat of communism...but not a physical one.

[xenogear3]

Earth and human are the training ground made by the ISIS God.

ISIS members have to prove to its God that they can fight even when it is "losing".
They will be rewarded with 72 virgins if they continue to fight in a difficult time.

In afterlife, they fight with other fighters from other universe.
Like Guild Wars 2, it is World versus World PvP.

[DarkBlade6]

Now, what exactly do you think pharmaceutical companies are making money with? Or the rest of the medical industry?

Stuff that will help you (aka pay a fortune to live a couple more years) but not cure you.

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Collapse of the Soviet Union - 1989-1991 is enough evidence for me to show a defeat of communism. russia is today a totally different country.

Did you not notice global capitalism failing in 2008?

[Osmeric]

Did you not notice global capitalism failing in 2008?

It didn't fail in 2008. And, there is no alternative to capitalism (as in, any way other than market mechanisms to organize an economy that would actually work.)

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It didn't fail in 2008.

No, sure it didn't....a global nationalization of the whole system of capital allocation isn't in way capitalism collapsing...

Oh hang on, that's exactly what it fucking was.

[Osmeric]

No, sure it didn't....a global nationalization of the whole system of capital allocation isn't in way capitalism collapsing...

Oh hang on, that's exactly what it fucking was.

There was similar silliness about capitalism collapsing in the 1930s.

I repeat: there is NO ALTERNATIVE to capitalism as the mechanism for organizing economies. None. No other mechanism that has been attempted has come close to working. The communist experiment, if it did anything useful, provided a test of whether a centrally planned system could replace capitalism. It could not.

[Powerogue]

Being harder on them, and winding up accidentally hurting more innocents in the process, makes it easier for them to convince people on the fence that you're the bad guys.

Being less hard on them I'm sure they can spin it as you're retreating and they're winning.

It must be a lot easier to convince people when there's no losing option for them:
they win and conquer the planet (not likely but certainly the end goal) = they win!
they lose and all get executed = they still win, because now they're partying in martyr heaven!

[Deleted]

There was similar silliness about capitalism collapsing in the 1930s.

I repeat: there is NO ALTERNATIVE to capitalism as the mechanism for organizing economies. None. No other mechanism that has been attempted has come close to working. The communist experiment, if it did anything useful, provided a test of whether a centrally planned system could replace capitalism. It could not.

In 2008 global capitalism failed. The banking system was de facto nationalized. That's what a failure of capitalism is: a regulated state take over of capital.

The direct opposite of what you are saying occurred. There was no alternative to socialism: no one wanted to or even could have continued with capitalism because the system had collapsed.

[stomination]

Is it really that difficult for the most powerful military forces in the world to handle this?

Or is it incompetence?

Because they are among civilians and are a loosely formed group based on ideals.

[yetgdhfgh]

Most of the command structure of ISIS has been obliterated and now they are so desperate for recruits they are putting suicide vests on little children!.

They are really on the verge of total collapse in Raqqa and Mosul BUT its the idea of ISIS that will live on and that idea is what we must destroy.

Young kids need to be shown that ISIS isnt some grand defender of Islam but just a bunch of degenerate rapists, murderers and thieves!

When that mystique is gone and hapless muslims stops believing in there shit then we will have defeated ISIS.

This is now a war of propaganda and ideas cause ISIS is getting annihilated on the ground in there home turf of Syria and Iraq but they continue to inspire young kids in western countries and thats what we need to stop!

[chrykoolaid]

Because the us loves conflict and funding Isis through Saudi Arabia and turkey shows that they won't go anywhere.

[pfbe]

Of course ISIS can be defeated. And quite easily, too. However, two things:
a) they provide a useful proxy for the foreign policies of certain nations
b) eradicating them would be... bloody, messy and full of collateral damage.

so, though we may have the means, we lack the will.

[Nakotsu]

They are legion! and spread out wide.