If You Want Less Outsourcing, Then Increase Immigration : Anderson

[Tennis]

The more Congress and executive branch agencies restrict immigration, particularly the use of H-1B and L-1 temporary visas, the more likely companies are to increase their investments outside the United States, both in their own offices and affiliates, and through contracting out to other companies. That is common sense and it reflects reality: We live in a global economy.

Nearly every major company in America, and many mid-sized companies, already has increased its presence outside the United States in response to immigration restrictions and other U.S. government policies, as well as to be closer to customers. Further increasing these investments may be a second best option for companies but it seems unwise to predict such investments will not happen.

Economists understand the dynamic between outsourcing and immigration. “If you’re worried about outsourcing, you should probably have a more liberal rather than a less liberal attitude toward immigration,” writes George Mason University economist Tyler Cowen in his book Average Is Over. “If the United States takes in more immigrants, the areas in which those immigrants work are less likely to see jobs outsourced abroad. Immigration makes it possible to keep those jobs at home. In fact, the bigger a threat outsourcing becomes, the more important immigration is for keeping us competitive and for keeping other complementary jobs in place.”

In public forums, I’ve heard human resources specialists of major tech companies say that when they recruit off college campuses, they find U.S. students, of course, but also many international students. This is understandable. At U.S. universities, 77 percent of the full-time graduate students in electrical engineering and 71 percent in computer science are international students. If an international student works for a year or so in Optional Practical Training (OPT) and a company is unable to gain an H-1B visa for that individual – the annual supply has run out for 15 consecutive years – the company usually sends the student out of the country to work at one of the company’s overseas offices.

Qualified U.S. students have other avenues for employment within the company, which means when companies send former international students outside the U.S., they typically replace those individuals with other international students who would take short-term positions.

Maintaining current restrictions that lead to more individuals working for U.S. companies outside of America expands corporate investment abroad, rather than in the United States. “The simple math suggests that more high-skilled visa holders in the U.S. means an overall reduced need for hiring talent offshore,” notes Blake Irving, CEO of GoDaddy. “That means that if you’re against outsourcing, you should support H-1B visas.” H-1B temporary visas are generally the only practical way a high-skilled foreign national working abroad or an international student educated in the U.S. can work long-term in America.

Some may argue that H-1B visa holders assist in the outsourcing process and thereby encourage it. However, this ignores that the on-site presence of any personnel, whether an American or an H-1B visa holder, is becoming increasingly less important during the transition phase to a new contract and service provider. In 2015, Citizens Bank of Rhode Island announced it would lay off 150 information technology (IT) professionals as part of a restructuring that would include work to be performed outside the United States by a contractor. Unlike in cases that received media attention, since no foreign nationals were spotted at the bank during the transition to the new contract, nobody attempted to blame H-1B visa holders for the layoffs. “IT employees who were contacted say this ’knowledge transfer’ is being accomplished remotely, over the Web and in teleconferences,” according to Computerworld.

Great article right here. Spot on as well. It is really hypocritical and illogical to complain about outsourcing while also being against immigration.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta.../#31de75b44349

[Super Kami Dende]

Most businesses outsource due to the fact it is cheaper in those areas of Work to outsource than pay Americans a proper wage.

So saying that bringing in Immigrants to work those Jobs at an American payrate is a good thing is actually just backwards, since they would just hire Americans if they wanted to pay for people in their own country.

It is also not hypocritical to complain about outsourcing when they actually want the Jobs for Americans, not to just have more unwanted people come from other countries just to take the Jobs anyway.

[Very Tired]

So the jobs would still be going to other people... it's just that those other people are now living in your country as well.

Other than that this just seems like a fruitless plan to take all the educated people from foreign countries until companies have no choice but to hire Americans.

[Tennis]

So the jobs would still be going to other people... it's just that those other people are now living in your country as well.

They're not other people if they're legally citizens.

[Rennadrel]

As someone who works for a company that hires mostly migrants for production work and cheap labour, both mindsets are retarded. There is nothing more irritating for me as a technician than to have to stupid proof everything and fix the shit that these people fuck up. If they paid better wages, they'd get white people who can speak god damn English and follow instructions, rather than these stupid slugs from Africa and Asia. We wondered why half our manufacturing has gone to automation, it's because they won't hire people who actually know how to use the machines properly.

[Very Tired]

They're not other people if they're legally citizens.

Yes they still are other people. And no one is talking about citizenship, only temporary work visas.

[ImpTaimer]

Outsourcing is a form of tax evasion.

Increased immigration doesn't change tax evasion. Legal immigrants aren't the ones being underpaid. The illegal/temporary ones are.

Shill your empty soul out, Tennis.

[Zephyr Storm]

Great article right here. Spot on as well. It is really hypocritical and illogical to complain about outsourcing while also being against immigration.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta.../#31de75b44349

The amount of sheer stupidity and ignorance in that article is astounding. Shows that the author really doesn't have a clue on the subject being discussed. The fact that the author thinks allowing immigrants into America will actually make companies keep jobs here is so idiotic that I can't even begin to say how stupid they are. The reasons why the author thinks companies outsource jobs has nothing to do with why companies actually outsource jobs. The whole article is nothing but some liberal pipedream that will never work.

Oh wait, it's another Tennisace thread. Nothing to see here folks. Move along...

[Thunderball]

Outsourcing is a form of tax evasion.

Increased immigration doesn't change tax evasion. Legal immigrants aren't the ones being underpaid. The illegal/temporary ones are.

Shill your empty soul out, Tennis.

If outsourcing is tax evasion the state should be responsible of providing employees in the state the company is paying taxes to. There is no way it's ever going to be true, so every state should be happy that those companies even exist.

[Deleted]

Or you know, don't be massive spineless cowards when it comes to companies?

Oh and actually encourage and guide people when they choose their education, to the ones that actually has a lot of open spaces on the work market, so that you don't actually have to integrate people to fill them.

Bam, politics!

[Hooked]

Yeah that makes ZERO sense, Anderson cooper is such a mocking bird stooge. They only outsource because it saves them money. With our regulations and unions always complaining, companies will look to outsource or build robots.

[Triks]

Outsourcing is a form of tax evasion.

Increased immigration doesn't change tax evasion. Legal immigrants aren't the ones being underpaid. The illegal/temporary ones are.

Shill your empty soul out, Tennis.

That's no tax evasion, that's the free market doing its thing. You either give the companies cheaper workforce or they will go out and get it themselves.

[Thoughtful Trolli]

As someone who works for a company that hires mostly migrants for production work and cheap labour, both mindsets are retarded. There is nothing more irritating for me as a technician than to have to stupid proof everything and fix the shit that these people fuck up. If they paid better wages, they'd get white people who can speak god damn English and follow instructions, rather than these stupid slugs from Africa and Asia. We wondered why half our manufacturing has gone to automation, it's because they won't hire people who actually know how to use the machines properly.

This is kind of why we want to increase immigration though. You can't deny that most of the people here in America are just as dumb shit, and even worse because they know how to talk back.

It's disgusting how many people exist everywhere all over the world including here who can't pass their tests effortlessly and then blame the teacher.

I used to think there was something special to them, to everyone, because I was taught that way. It was just one of their lame ass, always late for work lies. They're all liars, all of them lie nonstop.

So immigration, or cherry picking the best from the biggest basket, is the only logical choice. However, the second that basket is picked clean, most of us are going to be dumped into hell in our own lands. They're going to run away to their hidden retreats and fistfuck themselves happily while we burn and die.

Maybe the dumb shits deserve it, but the mistake they made was deciding the intellectuals who are too meek to rise deserve to burn with them. That's a real fire under the ass, and if it boils over, there's not going to be any safe places, cuz such people left behind will make sure of it!

[Machismo]

Increasing immigration is what the free market wants. I'm a huge fan of the free markets, it's a shame that most so-called conservatives don't feel the same.

[stabetha]

When will you people learn the difference between legal and illegal imagration?

[haxartus]

If you try to restrict globalization, you will begin to see in the future entire companies moving to countries like India, and you will lose even more money.

[Aggrophobic]

If you try to restrict globalization, you will begin to see in the future entire companies moving to countries like India, and you will lose even more money.

They don't have to.
They can just move across the border.

[Alydael]

Great article right here. Spot on as well. It is really hypocritical and illogical to complain about outsourcing while also being against immigration.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta.../#31de75b44349

Or you can just retrain your own citizens to take those jobs. There are litterally millions of people still out of work at the moment and millions on the welfare rolls.

Why on Earth would you just leave those people out of work (or on welfare) then bring in a whole new group of people to do the jobs? How does that even make sense?

You can't just disregard a portion of the population that is already living here just because you are pro immigration and big corporations want cheaper labor. That just isn't morally right.

Most companies outsource to get cheaper labor, not because there aren't people for those jobs here. The companies say "oh, we can't find people" because it looks bad to pass over Americans and they don't want the bad press. Here are some examples:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/for.../03/id/648552/

http://www.computerworld.com/article...lacements.html

The author is just pro immigration and trying to fashion an argument to get people to agree. It doesn't really make much sense, nor is it really backed up with actual facts.

[P for Pancetta]

The only thing that happens to normal people when you invite foreigners into your county is that there will be more competition between people and thus wages will stagnate. In the past few decades this practice has destroyed the livelihood of many people and forced them down on the social ladder. People who are against immigration aren't against the economy, they're against an economy that works against their own interests. In many western European countries there are more people without a job then there are actual job-offerings. The only reason in favor of immigration of this scale is humanitarian aid, and a quick visit to your local refugee shelter will tell you everything you need to know about how money is NOT spend on helping people.

Always struck me as odd.

If they are unwanted...why are they in America and getting work? How could people from a poor, uneducated country that do not speak your language or speak it badly, who are unqualified and who nobody wants "take jobs away from Americans"

I always thought it paints a rather shitty picture of Americans. Not only for giving jobs to those people (fucking your fellow Americans over money), but for also losing your job to those stupid, unwanted, uneducated, filthy, savage...(insert random attribute that sadly has been applied to them) people.

Because they earn a lot less then your average american, they most often don't have a mortgage, and often lives together with a bunch of other people in a similar situation until they've earned enough to start their own business or move on. They can't live a normal American live from the wage they earn, and that's why Americans won't get the job most of the time, because the American needs a contract and needs to pay taxes. He's too expensive. Even if he where to apply to a job that mostly is done by illegal immigrants he wouldn't get it.

Lastly inviting educated into your county might seem great and good for your economy but it is absolutely disastrous to the countries these people came from. It's these people that have the intelligence to be able to make something of their country, but instead they get lured away to the rich west leaving their struggling nations behind.

[Super Kami Dende]

Always struck me as odd.

If they are unwanted...why are they in America and getting work? How could people from a poor, uneducated country that do not speak your language or speak it badly, who are unqualified and who nobody wants "take jobs away from Americans"

Did you read the article? It was talking about people who were educated.