Steve Scalise shot in Virginia, aide also hit

[petej0]

Nope it's 100% true, the government agency that would regulate and control the black market on guns is worthless. Our laws on guns vary wildly from state to state and guns do cross state lines.

No, it is false. We have regulations for who can purchase firearms.

Also all the following have been shut down or go unaddressed by the gun crowd because they somehow mean taking away your guns.

- Keeping guns away from the mentally ill.
- Properly funding, staffing and modernizing the ATF.
- A proper national gun database.
- Biometric technology so only their owners can use them.
- Limit on gun magazine.
- Psychological evaluation and proper training before getting a gun.

For the record, on paper, I agree with these. The problem with some of these is in the details and enforcement.

I am actually for people having guns but we as a country are off the deep end on this issue, you don't need to ban guns there are countries where guns are legal where mass shootings are not considered normal.

Is that more to do with gun control or their culture? Sounds to me it is a culture issue.

Again there's no debate your side won anyone with a pulse can get a gun rather easily #USA.

That is just a lie.

[Draco-Onis]

why should i be limited in magazine capacity? and btw 20 rounds is far from unlimited. did i say i was fine with that as another poster pointed out adding tech to a firearm is another point of failure and in a life or death situation i'd rather deal with something manageable then having to fuck with a bio metrics scanner malfunctioning

Again that is your choice, please explain why are you against others having a choice?

[Roxinius]

Again that is your choice, please explain why are you against others having a choice?

because they way you're talking you'd end up wanting them on all guns

[Draco-Onis]

That is just a lie.

Gun shows, online and private sales remember the government has no idea what guns are sold and bought because they are still using paper and inspections are basically irrelevant but keep lying to yourself.

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because they way you're talking you'd end up wanting them on all guns

That is your paranoia, no one is making laser sight mandatory on guns. Thank you for making my point your crowd cannot be reasoned with anything and everything mean TEHY TAKING AWAY ME GUNS DURR!!

[Roxinius]

Gun shows, online and private sales remember the government has no idea what guns are sold and bought because they are still using paper and inspections are basically irrelevant but keep lying to yourself.

private sales of a hand gun still require a background check and a transfer done at a licenced ffl dealer

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Gun shows, online and private sales remember the government has no idea what guns are sold and bought because they are still using paper and inspections are basically irrelevant but keep lying to yourself.

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That is your paranoia, no one is making laser sight mandatory on guns. Thank you for making my point your crowd cannot be reasoned with anything and everything mean TEHY TAKING AWAY ME GUNS DURR!!

wait when did we start talking about laser sites on guns?

[Draco-Onis]

private sales of a hand gun still require a background check and a transfer done at a licenced ffl dealer

dealers are not inspected, private sales are not monitored anyone who's purchased a gun on certain sites will tell you how easy it is.

wait when did we start talking about laser sites on guns?

I just picked it because I find them fun and annoying

but my point is there no logical reason for the pro gun crowd to be against biometric yet they are. Adding optional technological advances to guns to make them safer is a good thing.

[petej0]

Gun shows, online and private sales remember the government has no idea what guns are sold and bought because they are still using paper and inspections are basically irrelevant but keep lying to yourself.

The gun show loophole is a farce. Have you tried to purchase a firearm at a gun show without a background check? Go try it and report back your failure.

Private sale is another issue. You could mandate all private sales have background checks and criminals will still sell privately BECAUSE CRIMINALS DONT FUCKING CARE ABOUT THE LAWS!

That is your paranoia, no one is making laser sight mandatory on guns. Thank you for making my point your crowd cannot be reasoned with anything and everything mean TEHY TAKING AWAY ME GUNS DURR!!

Its not paranoia, when you have politicians openly talking about banning certain weapons. Hell, NJ already tried it, so no...it isnt paranoia, its reality.

[zenkai]

Guns are not going anywhere. This just goes to show you how bad indoctrination has gone that people are still grasping at something to blame then the actual underlying problem. People like Daelak will litterally wise up in older age or go to their grave kicking and screaming having made no progress to their agenda. (which probably only involves bitching on the internet)

I will take bets and kicking and screaming.

[Draco-Onis]

Its not paranoia, when you have politicians openly talking about banning certain weapons. Can I buy a car without seat belts or airbags? No, because a federal regulation requires all cars be manufactured with these features. Why would they not do similar things to guns. Hell, NJ already tried it, so no...it isnt paranoia, its reality.

There are politicians that advocate that slavery is not so bad, that we should have no regulations and so and so on and so on. We have a congress and a white house for a reason, you think that something like that would happen like magic? Again it's your paranoia, there are congressmen talking about banning all guns too but that's a near impossibility. If we are going to stop doing things because of some crazy rep or congressmen has an idea we may as well have no laws at all.

[vaeevictiss]

Why do you need unlimited ammo if it's for protection and hunting? is reloading that much of a hassle? Your stance is the technology shouldn't be available to other people because gun owners should always be responsible? Guess what shit happens and apparently you are fine with kids shooting themselves and others when it could be prevented.

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It's a freaking option not all guns would have them, again why are you against having this option? if someone wants it how does that affect you masturbating with your non biometric gun?

ok i see you're not here to have a legitimate discussion so im done.

[Draco-Onis]

ok i see you're not here to have a legitimate discussion so im done.

As I stated no discussion your side won guns for everyone.

[downnola]

There are politicians that advocate that slavery is not so bad, that we should have no regulations and so and so on and so on. We have a congress and a white house for a reason, you think that something like that would happen like magic? Again it's your paranoia, there are congressmen talking about banning all guns too but that's a near impossibility. If we are going to stop doing things because of some crazy rep or congressmen has an idea we may as well have no laws at all.

What a ridiculous distortion of what that poster is trying to say. The gun debate is never ending because there are citizens and politicians that have no intention of stopping until AR's are banned. Politics is a constant test of how much a particular faction can get away with. Do you think the right will just one day give up on tax cuts or abortion restrictions? No, just like the left won't give up until we have the same gun laws Europe does.

[Roxinius]

As I stated no discussion your side won guns for everyone.

you're still wrong on guns for everyone but believe whatever you have to

[Draco-Onis]

What a ridiculous distortion of what that poster is trying to say. The gun debate is never ending because there are citizens and politicians that have no intention of stopping until AR's are banned. Politics is a constant test of how much a particular faction can get away with. Do you think the right will just one day give up on tax cuts or abortion restrictions? No, just like the left won't give up until we have the same gun laws Europe does.

Except the left isn't one hive mind, there are pro abortion people on the right and pro gun people on the left. You shouldn't hinder progress just because of your paranoia, if they start mandating biometrics on all guns I will be there protesting with you. Politics do change which is why people need to stay involved, being afraid of something that has not happened yet shouldn't stop you from doing the right thing.

[Roxinius]

What a ridiculous distortion of what that poster is trying to say. The gun debate is never ending because there are citizens and politicians that have no intention of stopping until AR's are banned. Politics is a constant test of how much a particular faction can get away with. Do you think the right will just one day give up on tax cuts or abortion restrictions? No, just like the left won't give up until we have the same gun laws Europe does.

oh no now you're just being paranoid (figured id save the poster you quoted the time since thats all they have to reply with)

[petej0]

There are politicians that advocate that slavery is not so bad, that we should have no regulations and so and so on and so on. We have a congress and a white house for a reason, you think that something like that would happen like magic? Again it's your paranoia, there are congressmen talking about banning all guns too but that's a near impossibility. If we are going to stop doing things because of some crazy rep or congressmen has an idea we may as well have no laws at all.

NJ already tried to pass a biometric law. It isnt paranoia if it is reality.

Politicians have already tried to (and successfully) banned certain firearms. It isnt paranoia if it is reality.

Except the left isn't one hive mind, there are pro abortion people on the right and pro gun people on the left. You shouldn't hinder progress just because of your paranoia, if they start mandating biometrics on all guns I will be there protesting with you. Politics do change which is why people need to stay involved, being afraid of something that has not happened yet shouldn't stop you from doing the right thing.

Nobody here is hindering progress. I am not out there demanding gun manufacturers stop research and development of biometric devices.

[Draco-Onis]

NJ already tried to pass a biometric law. It isnt paranoia if it is reality.

Politicians have already tried to (and successfully) banned certain firearms. It isnt paranoia if it is reality.

1) That politician has been scolded by the left and the right 2) I thought republicans were for state right? yes it is paranoia.

Nobody here is hindering progress. I am not out there demanding gun manufacturers stop research and development of biometric devices.

The technology cannot progress unless it is proven a viable business model any progress done in-house pales in comparison of having data from the wild. I am not sure why I had to spell this out for you.

[downnola]

Except the left isn't one hive mind, there are pro abortion people on the right and pro gun people on the left. You shouldn't hinder progress just because of your paranoia, if they start mandating biometrics on all guns I will be there protesting with you. Politics do change which is why people need to stay involved, being afraid of something that has not happened yet shouldn't stop you from doing the right thing.

But the right is? You're certainly treating them that way. You don't know anything about me, yet called me paranoid. Get over yourself.

[Draco-Onis]

But the right is? You're certainly treating them that way. You don't know anything about me, yet called me paranoid. Get over yourself.

It is in my post that the right isn't a hive mind either and yes if your reasoning for stopping biometrics is that it may lead to that scenario you are indeed paranoid look in the mirror sometime.

[petej0]

1) That politician has been scolded by the left and the right 2) I thought republicans were for state right? yes it is paranoia.

If NJ wants to pass it they can, yes, that is states rights. That is not my problem with it. The problem is the Federal Government using it as a model to enforce on everyone. Which the Federal government has done on other items. So no, it isnt paranoia. Why are you willingly trying to be obtuse about it?

The technology cannot progress unless it is proven a viable business model any progress done in-house pales in comparison of having data from the wild. I am not sure why I had to spell this out for you.

The US isnt the only country that has firearms. Not all firearm manufacturers reside in the US either. So dont play that game either.