Say Trump gets Impeached, does anything REALLY change?

[Blade Wolf]

The avatar of the alt-right wouldn't be defiling the White House anymore. That's a great start.

Pence would not push a more conservative agenda. He would have no mandate, especially since he seems to be part of the scandal himself. What we would see, with whoever is President, is a repairing of relations with our allies which Trump managed to systematically damage over the last few months.

Doubt they'd try to make any changes if Trump gets impeached.

Honestly, I think even Mike "Electro-shock" Pence might be an upgrade to Donnie Trump.

While Pence personal views might not be stable. He's stable as a politician where as Trump is a ticking timb bomb.

[I Push Buttons]

What things are being negatively impacted by uncertainty? And please don’t say that health insurance premiums, because that’s bogus. Health insurance companies have been running from Obamacare for 2 years now.

The US' position in the world. The security of global trade, thus our own economy and the entire world economy. The stability of our society. Outlook on the future.

Etc.

Pence, while having some crazy ideas with regard to LGBT community, is a sane person. The world can rest easy with a level headed person in charge of the nation and our armed forces. Trump has the demeanor of an entitled child.

Its all academic though, if Trump were impeached he would never be convicted by the GOP congress, short of him personally being the head of some massive conspiracy. And while I have no doubt there are those among the Trump camp that overtly colluded with Russians and that Russia waged a very successful propaganda war against one of our two parties, resulting in Trump's victory... I doubt very much Trump personally had a hand in much of it.

[Deleted]

Pence, while having some crazy ideas with regard to LGBT community, is a sane person. The world can rest easy with a level headed person in charge of the nation and our armed forces. Trump has the demeanor of an entitled child.

The problem about Pence is he works for Trump. And i wonder why he needs a lawyer if noone is actively accusing him of being part in the debacle from moscow.

[Anon56]

Domestic policy may change a little bit.

Foreign affairs ? Nah, it doesn't even matter who's president regarding that. The US can't afford to change their foreign policy or the country will crumble. The neocolonialism, wars and destabilizations will never stop.

That why I hope Trump stay, at least he will fuck the country internally and ruin a little more your popularity on the international scene. It's been a good laugh until now, let's hope for 8 great years of lulz.

[I Push Buttons]

The problem about Pence is he works for Trump. And i wonder why he needs a lawyer if noone is actively accusing him of being part in the debacle from moscow.

That argument is literal bullshit.

Retaining a lawyer doesn't imply guilt, it implies protecting yourself.

[Deleted]

Retaining a lawyer doesn't imply guilt, it implies protecting yourself.

I never said it is about guilt. More about the idea Pence is being accused.

[Moralgy]

Nothing will really change other than we would have a bit of stability in the white house with either Pence or Ryan, depending on if Pence would go down with him. Policy would all be the same, but we would have stability. The erratic nature of Trump is what will cause the most harm, in the long term, to the country. Our leader should be stable, not a child.

[grandpab]

They're all the same. They just want to pass as many bills that they can benefit from while undoing everything that Obama did. On the surface things will look better because Pence won't be tweeting every thought he has, but behind the scenes nothing will be different.

[GreenJesus]

What do you mean no one is talking about healthcare policy? You can start a thread on that if you want, but outside this forum, there is a lot of talk about it. From CBO forcing changes in Trump's proposal in congress, he just recently commented on how horrible the healthcare bill is. This is the second healthcare bill that Trump put forth, with the previous being pulled for lack of support.

You can start a thread on any topic you consider important. This is what you chose to start the thread on. Can't campaign about others doing the same...

- - - Updated - - -



I disagree... I think Pence would be similar to Trump in policy, minus all of the conflicts of interest and stupid shit that comes out of his mouth. You can call that putting a dress on a pig, but it's still better... at least the pig has a dress...

You cannot argue with people who think Obama founded ISIS and unemployment is at 45%. But, you can argue with those that consider planned parenthood a state issue.

Give me federalist vs state rights any day, over the current fake news rhetoric.

I am talking about the MEDIA not mmochampion. MMOchamp isn't the media. I turn to CNN its Mueller mueller mueller and investigation investigation investigation, I turn to fox and its the baseball game/Scalise and toxic environment on social media.

[fengosa]

Goku likes to push the 'no evidence' narrative which makes sense if you ignore that Trump admitted to firing Comey over the Russia probe on more than one occasion. Aside from that and Comey's testimony there's no evidence.

As far as Trumps vs Pence goes if Pence gets Bannon and Kushner out of the white house as advisors and makes some half decent appointments for empty positions he'll be doing exceedingly better than Trump at the moment.

[GreenJesus]

Goku likes to push the 'no evidence' narrative which makes sense if you ignore that Trump admitted to firing Comey over the Russia probe on more than one occasion. Aside from that and Comey's testimony there's no evidence.

As far as Trumps vs Pence goes if Pence gets Bannon and Kushner out of the white house as advisors and makes some half decent appointments for empty positions he'll be doing exceedingly better than Trump at the moment.

Well... when there are leaks about everything BESIDES the fact that he isn't being investigated personally obviously it is going to be on his mind. And he fired him days after he spoke in the open hearing saying "If I was in the same situation I would do it again regarding Hillary."

[fengosa]

I am talking about the MEDIA not mmochampion. MMOchamp isn't the media. I turn to CNN its Mueller mueller mueller and investigation investigation investigation, I turn to fox and its the baseball game/Scalise and toxic environment on social media.

I've seen coverage about the health care bill in the Senate on CNN and the Daily show.

[Xeones]

The problem about Pence is he works for Trump. And i wonder why he needs a lawyer if noone is actively accusing him of being part in the debacle from moscow.

That isn't how it works.

[fengosa]

Well... when there are leaks about everything BESIDES the fact that he isn't being investigated personally obviously it is going to be on his mind. And he fired him days after he spoke in the open hearing saying "If I was in the same situation I would do it again regarding Hillary."

The intelligence community hasn't leaked that I've been cleared from the investigation either. How worried should I be?

The conservative talking points are strong in this one.

Edit: it's really worth thinking about how bad an excuse for obstruction this is. You're not even denying the reason Comey was fired.

[Deleted]

That isn't how it works.

Well.. i dont get why someone needs a lawyer if he isnt being accused. Or does he think he is responsible as well being part of Trumples dream team?

[Edge-]

I am talking about the MEDIA not mmochampion. MMOchamp isn't the media. I turn to CNN its Mueller mueller mueller and investigation investigation investigation, I turn to fox and its the baseball game/Scalise and toxic environment on social media.

The investigation is pretty fucking huge news dude, especially given Trumps comments regarding his views on how bad it is for a president to be under investigation. Though those were aimed at Hillary, so who knows if he still holds them.

There's just not much to discuss on health care because...well...the House version of Trumpcare has already been dragged through the mud by pretty much everyone (including Trump himself) and the Senate version is a fucking secret, just like the House version when it was being drafted. It's being covered, there's just not that much that they can really cover for very long without a bill to actually talk about.

The investigation and the shooting are the two biggest recent political news stories, are media not supposed to cover them or something?

[Redwyrm]

I would take George W and Cheney over Trump at this point. That's how incompetent Trump is.

[lockedout]

I don't think he will be and there has been no evidence shown so far, however it seems like democrats are putting all their chips on impeaching Trump. What would change?

Pence would be President. He might even push a MORE conservative agenda. The whole Russia thing is all fine and dandy, but does this really affect anyone or the policies and big issues people are worried about for the average American?

The media is so focused on "Mueller, baseball game and Steve Scalise, political toxicity, etc" that no one is talking about practically anything else that ACTUALLY matters to the country and every day americans like healthcare or policy. The fact our president is being investigated is interesting and all but how does that affect ME?

Impeachment does not necessarily mean removal from office.

[Seiklis]

Impeachment does not necessarily mean removal from office.

That's true and the way the Senate map breaks down for '18 makes flipping the Senate one hell of an uphill battle. Though if the House flipped, there is a shot

[downnola]

Yes of course things change. You are mistaken if you think this is mostly/largely a policy issue.

This is a MORAL issue. This is a PRINCIPLE issue. This is a fight over what kind of America we are from the perspective of BELIEF.

I can stand to lose policy fights. I have before. I will again in the future. It's the way things go in a country you share with a wide number of diverse viewpoints and peoples. Politics is ultimately, just politics, and walking away with half a loaf is my fair share. Hell on more than a few things, I'm actually in agreement with the Trump/Pence/Republican agenda (such as it is), broadly speaking.

But this isn't about politics. This is about our soul as a country. And like hell I'll ever stand it being perverted by a guy who said and did, well... the stuff I posted at the bottom here.


The Trumpkins are people that compromised their morality and American principles to support an un-American troll and avatar of everything ugly and hateful about ourselves. We are so much better than this... so much better than him. I only did Air Force ROTC for a couple of years, but the cadet's motto still ring true:

I will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor will we tolerate among us anyone who does.

Words to live.

Trump lies.
Trump cheats.
Trump steals.

He is intolerable. He is deplorable.

Trump is unworthy to sit in the office of Reagan, Kennedy, Eisenhower and Truman. Of FDR, Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln, Madison, Jefferson, Adams and Washington. Great Americans... great statesman... made our country the shining city on the hill. Donald Trump represents its utter debasement. Donald Trump represents decline. Donald Trump's election is a betrayal of the trust our forebears placed in us to not squander our inheritance.

So yes. Everything changes. America's immune system will have kicked in and attacked the foreign body. And we'll take one big step back to recovering the moral authority we threw away and honoring the great Americans who came before.

This post is one of the most thorough repudiations of Trump as President of the United States that I've seen on this forum. 10/10, would covfefe.