How come no one ever mentions Russophobia?

[Elim Garak]

Enter the all news is fake rant. What a fucking predictable deck. Literally a hop to the left of a propaganda binge. It's called.. exposition! Maybe you would know about it if you checked the scary news out for once. Might actually happen across some facts too.

Also, fucking duh. News is biased. Events are not. Of course different sources portray news differently. Take that information and make sense out of it. It's called being an adult.

Or just go on the forums and claim fake news anytime someone tries to comment on human history. Again.. your motivations are absurd. I don't even know why someone who proudly claims skepticism of quite literally every ounce of information would join a discussion surrounding said information. How can you even assert any position or make any observation with such an assumption?

Another seemingly clever post though! Deconstructed as a catch 22. But at least you looked clever doing it. Your internet top hat just got more top! Alright man. Looking forward to the lines about.. sheep.. and waking up when I visit again.

I think I don't even need to deconstruct this post. It's so transparent it hurts the eyes. Moving on.

[Elim Garak]

How do I know your eyes are really hurting? Are you distorting the truth?? HOW WILL I EVER KNOW?!

I think I'm starting to get it!

Barely.

My eyes obviously don't hurt, it's just a figure of speech. But I'm an event, a direct source for the news on the hurting of my eyes. Whether you believe me or not (I might be lying for all you know) it's up for you to decide. And now imagine someone else told you that my eyes hurt, and they got it from someone else too, and they heard it from FOX, and FOX had bias and presented the event distorted. That's the facts your were claiming to know.

[Cizr]

Russophobia does not exist,just like Islamphobie.Its made up word to silence critics.

[Caolela]

Absolutely and utterly clueless.

Russia has everything to gain by obstructing American influence in the world. We literally have a president who called NATO obsolete, whose nearly sole existence is to oppose Russian influence...

Of course Trump would arm Saudi Arabia if he was a Trump stooge. Saudi Arabia is diametrically opposed to Iran and he needs foreign influence to start a war with Iran. Starting a war with Iran would deadlock the Persian gulf, choking the supply of oil throughout the world. This would cause the price of oil to skyrocket, which is Russia's wheelhouse and the only thing keeping that country from becoming third world.

Wonder why Trump won't release his tax returns. Did he do a backdoor deal with Russia via Trump International?? And then decide to place the former CEO of the biggest oil company in the world with more oil holdings in Russia than every other competitors *combined* as the secretary of state, which is basically the leader of our foreign policy?? And then make motion to weaken those sanctions that prevent such holdings from making a profit??

Why would a stooge of Russia sign an executive order to sell off our six month oil reserve?? Hmm.... Zero fucking chance at all that SUDDENLY our country's mortal nemesis is somehow not so bad.

Tell us the last time Russia invaded or attacked a sovereign nation without due cause or with manufactured intel and hype (no, that would not be Ukraine, Crimea, Ossetia or the "color revolutions" instigated by the West), like the U.S. did on Iraq, Syria, Libya, backing a neo-fascist regime change in Ukraine, and others.

I'm not a Trump supporter but he's right if he said NATO is obsolete. Europe can handle the bulk of its own defense since the Warsaw Pact is long gone, which was NATO's reason for being in the first place. There have been several in EU that have asked the same question: "Who is our enemy now? What is the threat that requires NATO?" Russia is a lot more interested in trade and cooperation with EU than taking the continent by force. Lest you've forgotten, that doctrine ended in the 90s.

However, the MIC getting rich and more powerful off NATO and the insecurity state would not allow it. Some people would come up dead like so many others who have opposed the MIC. That's the real politik here.

I have discussed Rex and Exxon on a few threads, and its having 63 million acres in Russia of unexplored potential oil/gas reserves. But that fact by itself in no way means the U.S. election has been hacked by another nation for Exxon's benefit. That'd be pretty goddamned foolish and Putin is not that stupid.

Why? One reason is because I guarantee you that NSA and CIA know nearly everything that's going across world networks in real time, including turned inward to spy on their own citizens which is highly illegal and unconstitutional. Of course Russia is fully aware of this. IF Russia indeed attempted to hack the DNC, the NSA certainly knows it but to date have not shown solid and verifiable proof that it was done. They've invented a nice bullshit story for public consumption is all.

Your scenario of Trump starting a war on Iran through the Saudis to benefit Russian oil sales is patently ridiculous. Among several other reasons that aren't worth my time to lay out here, it would cause so much damage to U.S. and other economies that could ill-afford it that it has to be completely off the table - unless Trump and his swamp creatures in the State and Defense Depts. are all truly that insane. That doesn't count the entire rest of the military, Wall St., and various allies that he'd likely encounter incredible resistance from.

Now tell us who is absolutely and utterly clueless. That would be the people who don't understand how these things actually work, like those who believe the crackpot propagandists on MSM.

[Instrument]

Yes, because everything you read on the internet is true... But you should use google to find out that Russia is not a race. The more you know.

neither is islam, yet do you question the existence of islamophobia ?

[Grapemask]

neither is islam, yet do you question the existence of islamophobia ?

Although no one is afraid of Russians. No one cares about Russian people at all. It's the Russian government that many people are, and absolutely should be, concerned about.

It's kind of like Islamophobia vs ISISophobia. One is ridiculous, the other is valid.

[Independent voter]

Russia is ran by the mafia

Former Russian MP shot dead in Kiev, Ukraine


Report: Putin Sanctioned Whistleblower’s Murder in Paris

Many more news reporters and opposition leaders killed by Putin and his thugs, the news is full of it.

[Zantos]

Considering that Russian population is not very fond of homosexuality, complaining about these harmless laws is asinine. You should be amazed that it IS the extend to which Russian laws go in regards of homosexuality.

I fully understand their stance on homosexuality and the lack of any laws protecting them from being targeted by anti gay groups with acts of violence. My points are not asinine simply because public opinion in Russia favors these types of laws. That just makes these types of laws worse and more harmful towards part of their population by targeting them with discriminatory laws meant to oppress rather then protect.

The only asinine thing is accepting it and thinking any type of law that so openly discriminates is fine just because the population hates them. That, is why I dislike Russia as a country and have to take it as a person to person basis.

[downnola]

Tell us the last time Russia invaded or attacked a sovereign nation without due cause or with manufactured intel and hype (no, that would not be Ukraine, Crimea, Ossetia or the "color revolutions" instigated by the West), like the U.S. did on Iraq, Syria, Libya, backing a neo-fascist regime change in Ukraine, and others.

I'm not a Trump supporter but he's right if he said NATO is obsolete.

I can't help but laugh sometimes when I visit these forums. I've rarely ever seen a case of North being South, left being right, and black being white all packed into one giant wall of useless text.

[Haven]

I fully understand their stance on homosexuality and the lack of any laws protecting them from being targeted by anti gay groups with acts of violence. My points are not asinine simply because public opinion in Russia favors these types of laws. That just makes these types of laws worse and more harmful towards part of their population by targeting them with discriminatory laws meant to oppress rather then protect.

The only asinine thing is accepting it and thinking any type of law that so openly discriminates is fine just because the population hates them. That, is why I dislike Russia as a country and have to take it as a person to person basis.

Which law in Russia is discriminatory against gays? What does it say? How does it affect private lives of homosexuals?

[Deleted]

Which law in Russia is discriminatory against gays? What does it say? How does it affect private lives of homosexuals?

Dont you pretend you come from Russia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia

[Haven]

Dont you pretend you come from Russia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia

Don't you pretend you can read English? Read what you linked. There is no law prohibiting discrimination. And neither is there a law promoting it. In other words, gays get no special treatment and live like everyone else. State has more important things to do.

It's like in that anecdote:
In a cabinet of an English lord:
- Barrimore, what's that noise outside?
- The gays, sir. They are rioting.
- What do they ask for?
- They demand equal rights, sir.
- Do they not have equal rights, Barrimore?
- They do have equal rights, sir.
- Then why are they rioting?
- Faggots, sir.

[Taso]

Dont you pretend you come from Russia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia

Now aint it funny that Cuba did the same thing yet Obama made friends with them as well as with Iran against LGBTQ. They literally forced people to have sex correction surgery or hormonal treatment otherwise they were thrown in jail and left to die. But what does the world do continue trade with them except the usa and puts fingers in their ears while demonizing Russia.
I would not be opposed to tightening control on russia a little bit if it weren't for the fact that we make cuts for other criminals too.
You practice what you preach not the other way around.

[Vorkreist]

Besides the political boogeyman Russia its a very non-existent thing. Maybe we should talk about eastern-europephobia and how the western europe treats eeu people as 1800 black people except UK where they actually hunt and kill them in the street in 2017

[Mittens]

Russophobia, much like other sjw phobias exist only in the minds of third wave feminists who unironically subscribe to postmodernism.

[Caolela]

I'm going to respond to your whole post, but I would rather you focus your energies on this specific, quoted item. Otherwise we will probably make zero gains on any sort of discussion by volleying semantics between 6 different threads of debate.

What was Russia's "due cause" to invade Ukraine

Nice try to conveniently write off the other examples I brought up since they prove your narrative wrong. You're also wrong on Ukraine. There was no Russian "invasion". If there had been, Kiev and the entire country would have fallen in a matter of days and the Neo-fascists wiped out.

The Donbass region, the entire eastern/southern area of Ukraine (who were/are also Ukrainians BTW but many consider themselves Russian) rejected the murderous neo-fascist, U.S.-backed thugs in Kiev. Russian assistance was humanitarian convoys and military supplies, requested or accepted by Donbass, not a Russian invasion.

"Many people carried Russian flags or self-made banners. The main slogans were: ‘Russia’, ‘Putin’, ‘Referendum’. There was also a slogan about federalization. With time, that slogan vanished because even then it was clear that any ‘federalization’ would be with the puppets in Kyiv who had seized power. Why ‘Russia’, ‘Putin’, ‘referendum’? Because here we were all really inspired by the example of Crimea. We hoped that we would also organize such a quick referendum."

http://russia-insider.com/en/donbass/ri8452 ...and so on.

This would go a lot faster if you would just link the talking points document they give you on briefing. NATO is obsolete because the Warsaw Pact was absolved? Again, who says this shit? At the minimum I'd give you that as a matter of opinion, but obviously not a matter of fact. NATO is a lot more than a military bloc. There are powerful forces in the world that desire NATO beyond the MIC, and I know your tinfoil finds this an impossibility, but it just so happens that it is also to the public's benefit to maintain NATO.

Who says NATO should leave or be run by Europe?

http://observer.com/2015/07/the-unit...out-of-europe/

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=3343

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...-to-leave-nato

Even the right-wing Cato Institute says so: https://www.cato.org/publications/co...-us-leave-nato

There are dozens of examples on both sides of the Atlantic, but that will suffice. There is no public benefit to NATO in Europe, other than the monies spent to maintain the bases and forces there that are unnecessary, but it is very expensive and wasteful expenditure. Europe can make the decision if they wish to tie up their own funding in it. It isn't the U.S.'s job.

Rofl.. uh.. okay.. let's walk through this again. Obviously Russia would not hack the USA for Exxon. Russia would hack the USA for Russia. Enemy of my enemy is my friend, dude. Why do you think Trump chose Tillerson? Maybe they share similar interests...

Try walking yourself through this: until and unless solid, verifiable evidence is given that there was Russian hacking, everything else is at best wild speculation, at worst propaganda for nefarious purposes. This has also has been been gone over sufficiently. Full stop. The end.

I find your understanding of federal investigations to be tenuous. I can't make comment on the actual methods of data collection or the integrity of the information that the NSA or CIA collects. I'd be surprised if anyone here could literally make comment on that subject and to corroborate your theory.

Given your wrong-headed points above, what you "find" as "tenuous" is laughable. I've pointed to plenty of evidence elsewhere on the NSA spying apparatus, and it's not "theory". If you had even 10% of the slightest clue of what it has been about for decades, you would not have typed such an ignorant statement.

I suggest you take a few hours and educate yourself before you insert foot in mouth again.

As for "Yeah, trendy MSM hate.", yeah...but nope. Nothing trendy about anyone that's been pointing out the MSM lies for years.

[Independent voter]

I'm going to respond to your whole post, but I would rather you focus your energies on this specific, quoted item. Otherwise we will probably make zero gains on any sort of discussion by volleying semantics between 6 different threads of debate.

Caolela believes in conspiracy theories, it's fine if you want to continue the discussion but you're wasting your time.

[Caolela]

Caolela believes in conspiracy theories, it's fine if you want to continue the discussion but you're wasting your time.

No, I go with facts, all of which I've supported here and in other threads on this Russian hacking bullshit. Those facts may cause some people's small minds to explode but that's not my problem. If you can show what I've posted is just "theory", then do so or get out.

[Skroe]

No, I go with facts, all of which I've supported here and in other threads on this Russian hacking bullshit. Those facts may cause some people's small minds to explode but that's not my problem. If you can show what I've posted is just "theory", then do so or get out.

More likes alternative facts, baby.

Nice to see the word's out on you though. Keep up the excellent work.

[Caolela]

More likes alternative facts, baby.

Nice to see the word's out on you though. Keep up the excellent work.

Tell that to the half a dozen sources I've listed before and you had no witty comebacks for. The alt facts are the ones that geniuses like you get from the MSM and peddle here daily.

None of which comport with actual reality.