Legion - Assassination Discussion

[Won7on]

It's much more of a shitshow though, chaotic rotation.

That describes it pretty accurately. It's like trying to juggle 9 balls at once. You want to pool energy before TB, but your DoTs need to be reapplied. You want to Kingsbane, but you just reapplied your DoTs and don't have an Envenom buff. Problems like that, every 5 seconds, repeat for the whole fight. Yaaaay, wasn't that fun?

They should have given Assassination 2 charges on Toxic Blade or something, like Sub has with Dance. It makes the rotation so much more smooth and flexible.

[Deleted]

My forecast seems to be accurate (at least after the first evening of parses ). Bosses like Maiden/Avatar/Kil'jaeden are made for assassination. On the other side the dps funneling of sub seems to work in AoE fights with DFA.

[omeomorfismo]

That describes it pretty accurately. It's like trying to juggle 9 balls at once. You want to pool energy before TB, but your DoTs need to be reapplied. You want to Kingsbane, but you just reapplied your DoTs and don't have an Envenom buff. Problems like that, every 5 seconds, repeat for the whole fight. Yaaaay, wasn't that fun?

They should have given Assassination 2 charges on Toxic Blade or something, like Sub has with Dance. It makes the rotation so much more smooth and flexible.

i find it fun
but maybe because i was a juggler xD
anyway if something should have charges it must be poison bomb. even if frankly i still not tested the buffed fok with the cloack, but i doubt it became enough good

[Deleted]

Killars seems to be killing it (heh) with Assassination so far in Tomb: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...tical&fight=14. Pretty consistently beating his Sub buddy.

He's also wearing boots, which surprises me.

I looked through his logs and tried to find some "secret", and all I saw is that he uses TB, KB, Vendetta off CD. Holds Vanish for a burst period.

Hopefully there's more to it, cause if not, what a fucking mongoloid spec they've turned this into. You could literally macro TB, KB, and Vendetta into Mutilate and push 1 button most of the fight.

I´m sure being 7 ilvls above the sub player doesnt matter.

[Deleted]

So confused about relics now, do we want all the Vendetta ones we can or is it 2 Vendetta and the iron Rupture one from sisters?

[Deleted]

So confused about relics now, do we want all the Vendetta ones we can or is it 2 Vendetta and the iron Rupture one from sisters?

I will take 3x master alchemist

[Won7on]

Poison Bomb is out of control. A single proc on Maiden with the damage buff + CDs is giving some rogues 12-14M damage. I looked to see if the top Rogues were doing anything special on that fight, and the answer was "proccing Poison Bomb with TB + Vendetta + the damage buff".

What a skillful and well-designed spec.

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With 3 MA relics, would you replace one for an equal ilvl Envenom relic?

[Daltin]

I managed to get 100 million Poison Bomb damage on Sasszine tonight. ........ Skill Bomb is in full effect boys.

[nocturnus]

I managed to get 100 million Poison Bomb damage on Sasszine tonight. ........ Skill Bomb is in full effect boys.

I've been saying this since the release of the trait: poison bomb is a shit trait that makes balancing SiN a total nightmare and makes our dps fluctuate like there's no tomorrow.

For the love of God, I can't comprehend why those dimwits at blizzard still haven't figured out that they have to remove the damn proc and make it on demand as a finisher or with a cooldown.

As for the rogue killar; he has ilvl 920 so I wouldn't call it "killing it".

MAlch relics will surpass MAs relics when you have the t20 4set, simultaneously making the legendary bracers surpass the boots.

I think we need to start a shitstorm like the DHs did and demand they give us poison bomb on demand. We're decent, not the best, at single target and we're nigh useless when there's AoE involved. This has to changed.

[Won7on]

I've been saying this since the release of the trait: poison bomb is a shit trait that makes balancing SiN a total nightmare and makes our dps fluctuate like there's no tomorrow.

For the love of God, I can't comprehend why those dimwits at blizzard still haven't figured out that they have to remove the damn proc and make it on demand as a finisher or with a cooldown.

It was always a shit trait, but Poison Bomb wasn't that big of a problem until we got:

1. 100% Crit with Shoulders
2. PB damage buffed by Vendetta
3. PB damage buffed by TB

Early in EN, the proc people complained about was actually BotA. If you got a BotA proc after doing a Vanish Rupture with NS, you felt like a god. Doubly so if you were still playing Exsang (for like the 1-1.5 months Exsang was good).

Poison Bomb's wasn't that bad until Blizzard made it bad. It only really mattered on AoE, which is obviously what the trait is intended for. Now it's scaled so high that it's become our hardest-hitting single-target nuke.

At this point I'd literally be overjoyed to see a patch like "Bag of Tricks has been removed. Assassination Rogue damage increased by 10%."

[Deleted]

I love those PB procxs, they feeling really good in aoe scenarios. I don't want it to be removed but I would like to have it as a Button with 2 to 3 charges. That would be nice.

[Tniemuth95]

Well after my first run through of ToS I feel like assassination will be the top spec due to the number of times you have to leave boss for mechanics/adds. KJ especially comes to mind because of the Armageddon orbs. And assassination has a lower cloak time which can be used to get rid of the debuff on that fight. Same with Avatar when you have to leave him to focus maiden. Assassination will still have dots and bleeds doing damage to boss while outlaw has no dots and sub only has one.

[upliftin]

We made a run yesterday on ToS, played 6 boss on Sub then switched to Assa, I feel like Assa is stronger due to mechanics, but it's my personnal opinion so...

I always thought you had to pop TB when Kingsbane has 9s left, but yesterday I used it on cd, it worked well; idk yet about that but if anyone has the information..

[Won7on]

I love those PB procxs, they feeling really good in aoe scenarios. I don't want it to be removed but I would like to have it as a Button with 2 to 3 charges. That would be nice.

Anyone calling for PB to be an on-use button realizes it would need to be nerfed into the ground, right? Like, at least 60-70% less damage? Sometimes I'm not sure if y'all are trolling or just delusional.

Go look at the top parses on Maiden. This guy got a couple good Poison Bomb procs during TB or Vendetta, and one really good one during TB+Vendetta+Vanish+damage buff. And look how absurd that damage was. If everyone could do that right now on demand, lining multiple charges of it up with Vanish and adds, the damage would be absolutely busted. There wouldn't be a better spec in the game for AoE OR Single Target.

So, be careful what you wish for. I wouldn't mind seeing it as a button too, but realize that it would need to be nerfed massively for this to happen.

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I know that and it would be a prize I am willigt to pay.

[nocturnus]

I love those PB procxs, they feeling really good in aoe scenarios. I don't want it to be removed but I would like to have it as a Button with 2 to 3 charges. That would be nice.

And utterly overpowered.

The trait should be removed and it should become either a weakened baseline AoE finisher or a similarly potent talent that makes us deliver some ST damage in favour of AoE.

[Deleted]

Wtf ... ppl dont seem to understand that I like the AoE itself as a nice poison Burst. I am well aware that the dmg cant stay the Same when we get it as a Button to smash, and I already said that. Please stop Posting just for the sake of Posting and read ppl ...

[Nekroman]

Kiljaden is dead. We start heroic tonight and should be cleared wed next week. I found myself ditching either boots for bracers and keeping cof or keeping boots but switching cof for mastery stat stick. Everything is used on cd anyways... might shoulder bracer be best current combo? Using t19 still but i do have t20 2 piece.. are sims "trustable" yet?

[nocturnus]

Kiljaden is dead. We start heroic tonight and should be cleared wed next week. I found myself ditching either boots for bracers and keeping cof or keeping boots but switching cof for mastery stat stick. Everything is used on cd anyways... might shoulder bracer be best current combo? Using t19 still but i do have t20 2 piece.. are sims "trustable" yet?

Bracers become slightly better once you have the 4set.

[Deleted]

I upgraded my Shoulders (Mantle) and a couple hours ago I got the Head legendary. I sim ~20k DPS more with the Legendary Head + Shoulders.

Instead of: Legendary Shoulders + Boots.

Of course I switched CoF (now running Foci 905 + NBF 905).
Simdps is now: 1027255 with 917 iLvL equipped.
Using 2x MA relics. I tried simming - replacing the 2 MA relics with Gushing Wound relics (I have 2 with same iLvl) - but I would lose 5k ~ without MA relics.

This head is nice :> But if I can upgrade the Boots I think its better to switch again (as long as I dont have the 4x T20)