ToS NM Cleared Day 1 by pugs and Heroic by Guilds, Yet LFR has to wait 2 months.

[Orangetai420]

Atleast jaylock's shitposts aren't pathetic and catering to LFRtards

This is true, Jaylock is clever with his trolling - I get a kick out of his posts. Jt just makes me roll my eyes.

[Deleted]

Got proof people just do LFR for 1 week then unsub? Because I keep seeing this claim but no data to back it up.

Nobody has access to blizzard database so I can't prove it either way, however it seems intuitive that it is like this for the aforementioned reasons.

[RoKPaNda]

Well, that's why hardcore was in quotes, because I agree. But it never, ever fails.

Well look at Jaylock. Look at this achievements on his armory so he can't claim "LOL IT WAS AN ALT LOL" - His guild carried him through Heroic a handful of times and he's in here bemoaning LFR's existence every step of the way. I suspect most of these people whining about LFR have never actually stepped in Mythic either and they just want LFR removed to feel better about themselves.

[Eapoe]

How is it special treatment to want the same content at the same time as everyone else?

ITs nots exactly the same content though, is it. SUre, it's the same raid, but if you want the same content you'd have the same boss mechanics as all the other difficulties. That would be extremely hilarious to watch now that I think about it.
Regardless, what's it matter? As you've pointed out, if it's that major, you can unsub until it's out of you want, or you can go into abnormal pug where people put in roughly the same amount of effort or get replaced.
I can see the point you are trying to make, but very few people even care that much, or enough to actively complain short of "I don't like it." Side note: you're also trying to preach to a group of people that put in as little effort as possible, which means actively making a formal complaint is just too much for them.

[Orangetai420]

That's my point exactly.

And mine too. If normal requires as little effort as you claim why do you care about LFR? LFR is for the casual audience that don't want to socialize, they don't deserve to see everything day 1. LFR should be gated - it keeps player engagement for a couple months. If you think normal requires the same amount of effort, LFR is not designed for you.

[Cernunnos]

Does it need to be a 2 week gate between wings though? Why not just one week. Pretty sure it was only a week in MOP.

[Lochton]

Honestly, if you can't wait for the LFR, go pug it.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Perhaps it's to encourage exactly that, for people to go out of their comfort zone into manual pugs with other people rather than automated easymode.

I'd say it's entirely fair if that's the case. Being a casual and unwilling to commit to a raiding guild and schedule =/= being so socially awkward that one can't anonymously join groups where everyone's equally new to the content...

The timegate between wings could be shorter though, but maybe they've seen that the LFR community needs 2 weeks on one wing before they can comfortably move on to the next?

[Lochton]

OP can't do that for some unknown reason. Plus all other casuals of that scale won't either.

Then there is no valid complaint than to wait.

[Deleted]

The real reason LFR has to wait 2 months is to extend the lifecycle of a tier and to keep players doing lfr only subbed for more. Its purely a $ reason. Does it suck? Maybe, but guess what $ moves the world around.

[Lochton]

Pethaps it's to encourage exactly that, for people to go out of their comfort zone into manual pugs with other people rather than automated easymode.

I'd say it's entirely fair if that's the case. Being a casual and unwilling to commit to a raiding guild and schedule =/= being so socially awkward that one can't anonymously join groups where everyone's equally new to the content...

The timegate between wings could be shorter though, but maybe they've seen that the LFR community needs 2 weeks on one wing before they can comfortably move on to the next?

Having LFR later I believe as well, is to fuel people with the want of trying out to reach there before LFR does.

[Deleted]

Then fucking go clear it in a pug, jesus christ, can you stop moaning?

[Snackpack]

And mine too. If normal requires as little effort as you claim why do you care about LFR? LFR is for the casual audience that don't want to socialize, they don't deserve to see everything day 1. LFR should be gated - it keeps player engagement for a couple months. If you think normal requires the same amount of effort, LFR is not designed for you.

I agree, that's what I was saying. I don't care about LFR and I think it's fine that way it is. OP should pug it if they are that desperate to clear it day 1.

[George Costanza]

so How do you gear from 800ish ilvls to 890? pvp?

[Orangetai420]

I agree, that's what I was saying. I don't care about LFR and I think it's fine that way it is. OP should pug it if they are that desperate to clear it day 1.

Ahh, my mistake - I misunderstood.

[Derpleton]

LFR should be out sooner, I can completely understand that people who might have wanted to pug it are disenfranchised by the "910+ Link AOTC" for a raid which drops ilvl 900 gear and is recommended for people in the 880-900 range. And before someone says "well make your own group then lul" we're talking about people trying to move up from LFR who likely have no raid leading experience and don't want to be in charge on day 1 of a new tier.

[stomination]

LFR should be out sooner, I can completely understand that people who might have wanted to pug it are disenfranchised by the "910+ Link AOTC" for a raid which drops ilvl 900 gear and is recommended for people in the 880-900 range. And before someone says "well make your own group then lul" we're talking about people trying to move up from LFR who likely have no raid leading experience and don't want to be in charge on day 1 of a new tier.

90% of those other raids are not ppl who know how to raid lead. Sometimes you actually end up noticing the lead is 850 item level as well.

[Derpleton]

90% of those other raids are not ppl who know how to raid lead. Sometimes you actually end up noticing the lead is 850 item level as well.

To each their own I suppose, but if we're looking to encourage people out of LFR giving them the impression that they need to outgear the loot of the content they want to do is not the way to do it.

[cuafpr]

i actually agree with the new group finder tool and stuff gating LFR seems silly.... Never did see the reason behind it anyways. If i was causal enough / only desired to run LFR .. i could unsubbing till it was fully unlocked each time.

[Lolsteak]

If LFR heroes can't do easy AF normal mode you shouldn't even be playing. Please unsub

If Normal heroes can't do easy AF Heroic mode you shouldn't even be playing. Please unsub.


If Heroic heroes can't do easy AF Mythic mode you shouldn't even be playing. Please unsub.