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    Gold standard nostalgics - here's a great article

    Many mainstream economists, perhaps a majority of those who have an opinion, are opposed to tying a central bank’s hands with any explicit monetary rule. A clear majority oppose the gold standard, at least according to an often-cited survey. Why is that?

    First some preliminaries. By a “gold standard” I mean a monetary system in which gold is the basic money. So many grains of gold define the unit of account (e.g. the dollar) and gold coins or bullion serve as the medium of redemption for paper currency and deposits.

    Career incentives give monetary economists a status-quo bias.

    By an “automatic” or “classical” gold standard I mean one in which there is no significant central-bank interference with the functioning of the market production and arbitrage mechanisms that equilibrate the stock of monetary gold with the demand to hold monetary gold.

    The United States was part of an international classical gold standard between 1879 (the year that the dollar’s redeemability in gold finally resumed following its suspension during the Civil War) and 1914 (the First World War).

    Serving the Status-Quo

    Why isn’t the gold standard more popular with current-day economists? Milton Friedman once hypothesized that monetary economists are loath to criticize central banks because central banks are by far their largest employer. Providing some evidence for the hypothesis, I have elsewhere suggested that career incentives give monetary economists a status-quo bias. Most understandably focus their expertise on serving the current regime and disregard alternative regimes that would dispense with their services. They face negative payoffs to considering whether the current regime is the best monetary regime.

    Here I want to propose an alternative hypothesis, which complements rather than replaces the employment-incentive hypothesis. I propose that many mainstream economists today instinctively oppose the idea of the self-regulating gold standard because they have been trained as social engineers. They consider the aim of scientific economics, as of engineering, to be prediction and control of phenomena (not just explanation).

    Compared to fiat standards, classical gold standards kept inflation lower.

    They are experts, and an automatically self-governing gold standard does not make use of their expertise. They prefer a regime that values them. They avert their eyes from the possibility that they are trying to optimize a Ptolemaic system, and so prefer not to study its alternatives.

    The actual track record of the classical gold standard is superior in major respects to that of the modern fiat-money alternative. Compared to fiat standards, classical gold standards kept inflation lower (indeed near zero), made the price level more predictable (deepening financial markets), involved lower gold-extraction costs (when we count the gold extracted to provide coins and bullion to private hedgers under fiat standards), and provided stronger fiscal discipline.

    The classical gold standard regime in the US (1879-1914), despite a weak banking system, did no worse on cyclical stability, unemployment, or real growth.

    Unnecessary Monetary Policy Tightening

    The classical gold standard’s near-zero secular inflation rate was not an accident. It was the systemic result of the slow growth of the monetary gold stock. Hugh Rockoff (1984, p. 621) found that between 1839 and 1929 the annual gold mining output (averaged by decade) ran between 1.07 and 3.79 percent of the existing stock, with the one exception of the 1849-59 decade (6.39 percent growth under the impact of Californian and Australian discoveries).

    Furthermore, an occasion of high demand for gold (for example a large country joining the international gold standard), by raising the purchasing power of gold, would stimulate gold production and thereby bring the purchasing power back to its flat trend over the longer term.

    The “tight” monetary policies the Fed pursued were not forced on it by lack of gold reserves.

    A recent example of a poorly grounded historical critique is provided by textbook authors Stephen Cecchetti and Kermit Schoenholtz. They imagine that the gold standard determined money growth and inflation in the US until 1933, and so they count against the gold standard the US inflation rate in excess of 20% during the First World War (specifically 1917), followed by deflation in excess of 10% a few years later (1921).

    These rates were actually produced by the policies of the Federal Reserve System, which began operations in 1914. The classical gold standard had ended during the Great War, abandoned by all the European combatants, and did not constrain the Fed in these years.

    Cecchetti and Schoenholtz are thus mistaken in condemning “the gold standard” for producing a highly volatile inflation rate. (They do find, but do not emphasize, that average inflation was much lower and real growth slightly higher under gold.) They also mistakenly blame “the gold standard” – not the Federal Reserve policies that prevailed, nor the regulatory restrictions responsible for the weak state of the US banking system – for the US banking panics of 1930, 1931, and 1933.

    Studies of the Fed’s balance sheet and activities during the 1930s have found that it had plenty of gold (Bordo, Choudhri and Schwartz, 1999; Hsieh and Romer, 2006, Timberlake 2008). The “tight” monetary policies it pursued were not forced on it by lack of more abundant gold reserves.

    Expert Opinion

    The mechanisms of the gold standard managed to maintain stability before the First World War.

    There are of course serious economic historians who have done valuable research on the performance of the classical gold standard and yet remain critics. Their main lines of criticism are two. First, they too lump the classical gold standard together with the very different interwar period and mistakenly attribute the chaos of the interwar period to the gold standard mechanisms that remained, rather than to central bank interference with those mechanisms.

    In rebuttal Richard Timberlake has pertinently asked how, if it was the mechanisms of the gold standard (and not central banks’ attempts to manage them) that destabilized the world economy during the interwar period, those same mechanisms managed to maintain stability before the First World War (when central banks intervened less or, as in the United States, did not exist)?

    Here, I suggest, a strong pre-commitment to expert guidance acts like a pair of blinders. Wearing those blinders, even if it is seen that the prewar system differed from and outperformed the interwar system, it cannot be seen that this was because the former was comparatively self-regulating and the latter was comparatively expert-guided.

    Second, it is always possible to argue in defense of expert guidance that even the classical gold standard was second-best to an ideally managed fiat money where experts call the shots. Even if central bankers operated on the wrong theory during the 1920s, during the Great Depression, and under Bretton Woods, not to mention during the Great Inflation and the Great Recession, today they operate (or can be gotten to operate) on the right theory.

    Policy-makers can set experts to devising policies to meet goals that are not the public’s goals.

    In the worldview of economics as social engineering, monetary policy-making by experts must almost by definition be better than a naturally evolved or self-regulating monetary system without top-down guidance. After all, the experts could always choose to mimic the self-regulating system in the unlikely event that it were the best of all options. (In the most recent issue of Gold Investor, Alan Greenspan claims that mimicking the gold standard actually was his policy as Fed chairman.) As experts they sincerely believe that “we can do better” by taking advantage of expert guidance. How can expert guidance do anything but help?

    3 Ways to Fail

    Expert-guided monetary policy can fail in at least three well-known ways to improve on a market-guided monetary system.

    First, experts can persist in using erroneous models (consider the decades in which the Phillips Curve reigned) or lack the timely information they would need to improve outcomes. These were the reasons Milton Friedman cited to explain why the Fed’s use of discretion has amplified rather than dampened business cycles in practice.

    Second, policy-makers can set experts to devising policies to meet goals that are not the public’s goals. This is James Buchanan’s case for placing constraints on monetary policy at the constitutional level.

    Third, where the public understands that the central bank has no pre-commitments, chronically suboptimal outcomes can result even when the central bank has full information and the most benign intentions. This problem was famously emphasized by Finn E. Kydland and Edward C. Prescott (1977).

    A commodity standard more completely removes policy uncertainty and with it overall uncertainty.

    These lessons have not been fully absorbed. A central bank that announces its own inflation target (as the Fed has), and especially one that retains a “dual mandate” to respond to real variables like the unemployment rate or the estimated output gap, retains discretion.

    It is free to change or abandon its inflation-rate target, with or without a new announcement. Retaining discretion – the option to change policy in this way – carries a cost.

    The money-using public, uncertain about what the central bank experts will decide to do, will hedge more and invest less in capital formation than they would with a credibly committed regime. A commodity standard – especially without a central bank to undermine the redemption commitments of currency and deposit issuers – more completely removes policy uncertainty and with it overall uncertainty.

    Blaming Gold for Failed Policy

    Speculation about the pre-analytic outlook of monetary policy experts could be dismissed as mere armchair psychology if we had no textual evidence about their outlook. Consider then, a recent speech by Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Stanley Fischer.

    At a May 5, 2017 conference at the Hoover Institution, Fischer addressed the contrast between “Committee Decisions and Monetary Policy Rules.” Fischer posed the question: Why should we have “monetary policy decisions … made by a committee rather than by a rule?” His reply: “The answer is that opinions – even on monetary policy – differ among experts.”

    Consequently we “prefer committees in which decisions are made by discussion among the experts” who try to persuade one another. It is taken for granted that a consensus among experts is the best guide to monetary policy-making we can have.

    Fischer continued:

    Emphasis on a single rule as the basis for monetary policy implies that the truth has been found, despite the record over time of major shifts in monetary policy – from the gold standard, to the Bretton Woods fixed but changeable exchange rate rule, to Keynesian approaches, to monetary targeting, to the modern frameworks of inflation targeting and the dual mandate of the Fed, and more. We should not make our monetary policy decisions based on that assumption. Rather, we need our policymakers to be continually on the lookout for structural changes in the economy and for disturbances to the economy that come from hitherto unexpected sources.

    In this passage Fischer suggested that historical shifts in monetary policy fashion warn us against adopting a non-discretionary regime because they indicate that no “true” regime has been found. But how so?

    Changes in regimes and policies do not imply that each new policy was an improvement over its predecessor.

    That governments during the First World War chose to abandon the gold standard (in order to print money to finance their war efforts), and that they subsequently failed to do what was necessary to return to a sustainable gold parity (devalue or deflate), does not imply that the mechanisms of the gold standard – rather than government policies that overrode them – must have failed.

    Observed changes in regimes and policies do not imply that each new policy was an improvement over its predecessor – unless we take it for granted that all changes were all wise adaptations to exogenously changing circumstances. Unless, that is, we assume that the experts guiding monetary policies have never yet failed us.

    Better, Because Science

    Fischer further suggested that a monetary regime is not to be evaluated just by the economy’s performance, but by how policy is made: a regime is per se better the more it incorporates the latest scientific findings of experts about the current structure of the economy and the latest models of how policy can best respond to disturbances.

    If we accept this as true, then we need not pay much if any attention to the gold standard’s actual performance record. But if instead we are going to judge regimes largely by their performance, then replacing the automatic gold standard by the Federal Reserve’s ever-increasing discretion cannot simply be presumed a good thing. We need to consult the evidence. And the evidence since 1914 suggests otherwise.

    The information necessary for successful guidance of monetary policy is not available in a timely fashion.

    Contrary to Fischer, there is no good reason to presume that expert-guided monetary regimes get progressively better over time, because there is no filter for replacing mistaken experts with better experts. We have no test of the successful exercise of expertise in monetary policy (meaning, superiority at correctly diagnosing and treating exogenous monetary disturbances, while avoiding the introduction of money-supply disturbances) apart from ex post evaluation of performance.

    The Fed’s performance does not show continuous improvement. As previously noted, it doesn’t even show improvement over the pre-Fed regime in the US.

    A fair explanation for the Fed’s poor track record is Milton Friedman’s: the information necessary for successful expert guidance of monetary policy is simply not available in a timely fashion.

    Those who recognize this point will be open to considering the merits of moving, to quote the title a highly pertinent article by Leland B. Yeager, “toward forecast-free monetary institutions.” Experts who firmly believe in expert guidance of monetary policy, of course, will not recognize the point. They will accordingly overlook the successful track record of the automatic gold standard (without central bank management) as a forecast-free monetary institution.
    https://fee.org/articles/why-experts...tandard-wrong/

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    Second, policy-makers can set experts to devising policies to meet goals that are not the public’s goals. This is James Buchanan’s case for placing constraints on monetary policy at the constitutional level.
    This was originally the case before the 1st and 2nd Bank of the United States and the Federal Reserve Act was passed. In all 3 of those entities we see both the printing and policies of our money given over to private enterprise with disastrous results for the public.

    I'm not 100% for the gold standard but I do like it in theory and its' historical practice. I do think interest free money printed and controlled by the federal government should be what we have, regardless of gold standard or fiat style.
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    Would be pretty much impossible for them to generate fake economic growth under the gold standard. Its also difficult to maintain a system so dependent on debt and interest. Oddly enough, central banks fear deflation far more than they fear inflation, where it is the opposite from the average individual who is effected by inflation like its an invisible tax on his savings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    Would be pretty much impossible for them to generate fake economic growth under the gold standard. Its also difficult to maintain a system so dependent on debt and interest. Oddly enough, central banks fear deflation far more than they fear inflation, where it is the opposite from the average individual who is effected by inflation like its an invisible tax on his savings.
    It isn't "fake economic growth".

    Also, deflation is bad for society. A small, controlled amount of inflation is conversely good for society. Precisely because inflation makes hoarding a losing strategy. If the value of the dollar was inflating and deflating willy-nilly, then it would be trivial for the wealthy to put their cash in a vault when it's low in value, and just wait for the next market shift until it's high in value. Investment falls apart, because sticking cash in a vault is the safer and more reliable option.

    A small, controlled rate of inflation favors investment and continued economic action, because sticking your money in a vault will always result in a slow decay in its value. This is a good thing for an economy.


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    Miss the "gold standard"? Pfft! Wait until we do away with coins and paper money.
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    Those who wish to bring back the gold standard have no idea what money is to begin with. Money is just an IOU, as was gold. In fact prior to using metals to represent IOU's, we used sea shells and rice for most of human history. Basically gold was used to represent an IOU cause it was rare and didn't go bad overtime.

    We stepped off the gold standard so that money can be represented by the economic output of those using it. For example Bitcoin's value comes from all those people who are mining coins. By them mining they give Bitcoin value. Americans give the Dollar value with their economic output. If we stayed with the gold standard, then economic output doesn't matter as much.

    Anyone interested in the history of money should watch this six part series, and it shows how recent the invention of money really is. Nixon removed the US from the gold standard in 1971, which means our current method of money is just 45-46 years old. With South Korea going 100% digital with their money, and with cryptocurrencies, who's to say how much longer this form of money will last?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    its' historical practice.
    In historical practice it was a terrible system. It was characterized by a boom bust cycle tied to the whims and fortunes of the mining industry and territorial control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    ...because sticking your money in a vault will always result in a slow decay in its value.
    This is because you are championing the false over the real thing. The real thing is real property - say real estate. The value of real estate is intrinsic, it has a value that is not strictly monetary but rather a value in use or potential use. Ultimately, the point is that what you said is true about any currency that can be manipulated, but not true of real property. The value of real estate tends to rise over time because land is not really something that can be created or manipulated, has use, and is the real thing itself.

    So what if instead of being a complete idiot and putting some bullshit fiat currency into a vault I bought real property with it? You are pretending this isn't an option and not the secret to true wealth.

    And that's the scam of any fiat currency right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louisa Bannon View Post
    This is because you are championing the false over the real thing. The real thing is real property - say real estate. The value of real estate is intrinsic, it has a value that is not strictly monetary but rather a value in use or potential use. Ultimately, the point is that what you said is true about any currency that can be manipulated, but not true of real property. The value of real estate tends to rise over time because land is not really something that can be created or manipulated, has use, and is the real thing itself.

    So what if instead of being a complete idiot and putting some bullshit fiat currency into a vault I bought real property with it? You are pretending this isn't an option and not the secret to true wealth.

    And that's the scam of any fiat currency right there.
    Please tell me this is a joke? Like one of those really poor jokes that you tell to get people laughing hard at how absurd that is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemposs View Post
    Please tell me this is a joke? Like one of those really poor jokes that you tell to get people laughing hard at how absurd that is?
    You've managed to not actually state anything...spit it out, genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louisa Bannon View Post
    You've managed to not actually state anything...spit it out, genius.
    Does the words housing bubble ring a bell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemposs View Post
    Does the words housing bubble ring a bell?
    Sure it does. That's not the zinger you seem to think it is. Run along now and try to figure out what I mean by that...

    You think small. Tiny even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It isn't "fake economic growth".

    Also, deflation is bad for society. A small, controlled amount of inflation is conversely good for society. Precisely because inflation makes hoarding a losing strategy. If the value of the dollar was inflating and deflating willy-nilly, then it would be trivial for the wealthy to put their cash in a vault when it's low in value, and just wait for the next market shift until it's high in value. Investment falls apart, because sticking cash in a vault is the safer and more reliable option.

    A small, controlled rate of inflation favors investment and continued economic action, because sticking your money in a vault will always result in a slow decay in its value. This is a good thing for an economy.
    wealthy people don't stuff money in a mattress. they invest or hold profit generating assets. when people 'horde' money, it goes into bank savings which is in turned loaned to business and consumers. and having market indicators like cash on hand in banks, money velocity, etc is good for the markets so they know when and where to use their money wisely. with a false fiat economy controlled by a small group of people, there are no real market signals for investors so they make poor choices that inflate and burst massive bubbles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louisa Bannon View Post
    This is because you are championing the false over the real thing. The real thing is real property - say real estate. The value of real estate is intrinsic, it has a value that is not strictly monetary but rather a value in use or potential use.
    This is nonsense. You have on the one hand claimed that property has "intrinsic value", in that it has a use, and ignored that money has an intrinsic value as a medium of exchange.

    Could that value become meaningless in different circumstances? Sure. In both cases. An economic system might see superinflation and the currency may become valueless. A piece of property may become ruined by flooding or a chemical spill.

    Ultimately, the point is that what you said is true about any currency that can be manipulated, but not true of real property. The value of real estate tends to rise over time because land is not really something that can be created or manipulated, has use, and is the real thing itself.
    This is bollocks. Real estate's value has not tended to "rise over time", if you control for inflation and factors like city growth. Consider the value of a piece of average-at-best farmland in the middle of nowhere. The value of that land has not significantly risen over time.

    Plus, we create land all the time. This isn't even a new concept.

    So what if instead of being a complete idiot and putting some bullshit fiat currency into a vault I bought real property with it? You are pretending this isn't an option and not the secret to true wealth.
    And what if you buy forestland for the lumber resources, and then a forest fire wipes it out? What if you buy land for residential construction, and a river changes course and regularly floods it? This stuff happens all the time.

    And not all land has value to begin with. If you bought a bunch of land in the center of Antarctica, well, you own it. But it's not useful for anything, and it's unlikely anyone else will pay you for it in the future, since again, it's not useful for anything.

    The value property holds is in its utility, which is subjective to the people who want to make use of it. It isn't in any way intrinsic. No value is, because value is a subjective concept in and of itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chewie49 View Post
    wealthy people don't stuff money in a mattress. they invest or hold profit generating assets. when people 'horde' money, it goes into bank savings which is in turned loaned to business and consumers. and having market indicators like cash on hand in banks, money velocity, etc is good for the markets so they know when and where to use their money wisely. with a false fiat economy controlled by a small group of people, there are no real market signals for investors so they make poor choices that inflate and burst massive bubbles.
    The only reason this is true is because of the controlled economy which encourages a low, constant level of inflation.

    Prior to that, wealthy people absolutely did hoard cash in vaults rather than investing, because investing was risky, and waiting for the next deflationary cycle was not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Louisa Bannon View Post
    Sure it does. That's not the zinger you seem to think it is. Run along now and try to figure out what I mean by that...

    You think small. Tiny even.

    Hint:
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    Are you even sure that you know what you are trying to hint at here? Also I own a house, I don't need a broker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Plus, we create land all the time. This isn't even a new concept.
    Okay, call me ignorant. Can you cite one example of this process?

    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The only reason this is true is because of the controlled economy which encourages a low, constant level of inflation.
    Didn't you previous claim that was the ideal situation? A situation that you acknowledge results in bubble economies.

    Similar to another speaker elsewhere, you use straw man arguments to defeat a perceived counter-argument while promoting your own views with best circumstance type examples.

    We can agree to disagree, but your reasoning seems foggy at best.

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    I still use the Roman denarius silver standard, so meh.

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    The fractional reserve system of today is a scam by the global elite to maintain their wealth and status. The gold standard prevented that, it also had drawbacks. You could do a partial reserve system, but we couldn't use the old system today

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    Quote Originally Posted by satimy View Post
    The fractional reserve system of today is a scam by the global elite to maintain their wealth and status. The gold standard prevented that, it also had drawbacks. You could do a partial reserve system, but we couldn't use the old system today
    How does that explain the 1910's and 1920's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemposs View Post
    How does that explain the 1910's and 1920's?
    The FEDeral reserve

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