Sub - When to use vanish after opener? (DS/DFA build)

[milkbonez]

Do we build 5-6cp and vanish>DFA? Finality Evis? Should we have a SD charge before Evis animation hits? In a perfect world we would have all our timers up like we're just repeating our opener, but with vanish on a 90 second timer kinda throws a wrench. I try to do all the above but sometimes it does line up perfectly.

Would like to know how you guys are using vanish after opener (with leggo shoulders of course).

[Critical92]

Sod (30 sec cd) lines up perfectly with vanish until 4pc.
I do it like the following mid fight: Finality ready-sod-vanish-shadowstrike(6 cp)-dfa into dance

With the dfa build you wait with dfa until sod is ready, don't use dfa on cd. That way you can line everything up and the most dmg of that build comes from critting finality dfa eviscerates. You want to maximise eviscerate damage in that build.

[Clinkzthebonerogue]

Don't really wanna hijack post but don't want to make a whole new thread either.. but what's the opener that you guys are doing with DS/DFA?

[Clayney0]

Sod (30 sec cd) lines up perfectly with vanish until 4pc.
I do it like the following mid fight: Finality ready-sod-vanish-shadowstrike(6 cp)-dfa into dance

With the dfa build you wait with dfa until sod is ready, don't use dfa on cd. That way you can line everything up and the most dmg of that build comes from critting finality dfa eviscerates. You want to maximise eviscerate damage in that build.

If you macro a spell into Vanish and stopattack after, you can use another ability while in stealth. Expect this to be hotfixed soon, but until that make use of it.

#showtooltip
/use Vanish
/use Eviscerate
/stopattack

[milkbonez]

Don't really wanna hijack post but don't want to make a whole new thread either.. but what's the opener that you guys are doing with DS/DFA?

Refer to riff's guide: https://riff.tf/guide/subtlety/#pre-pull

[TheWindMask]

If you macro a spell into Vanish and stopattack after, you can use another ability while in stealth. Expect this to be hotfixed soon, but until that make use of it.

#showtooltip
/use Vanish
/use Eviscerate
/stopattack

You don't actually need to make a stopattack macro. You just need to have high enough energy to fit in the second ability into the vanish window.
So for each spec it would be as follows:
Assassination - Vanish>Rupture/Envenom+Mutilate
Outlaw - Vanish>Between the Eyes/Run Through+Ambush
Subtlety - Vanish>Eviscerate+Shadowstrike (can't see a situation where you would want to vanish>nighblade tbh)

Not exactly sure about the timing for Sin/Sub but for Outlaw you want to vanish at 5-6 cp with about 80+ energy.