Missouri to lower minimum wage from $10 to $7.70

[Zan15]

Where does it say it's meant to be a living wage for a family ?

its a fucking job
jobs by definition are supposed to be the thing that helps you support your family when you work 40 hours a week......


when the hell did jobs in this country become something you just do for pocket change instead of support your family....

[Mystrome]

I think every corporation was started by a person with ambition and an idea. New ones are created every day and grow to huge companies. How many of the large companies today are new in the last 10-20 years a lot of which were not created by rich people. All it takes is some ambition and a idea and anyone can do it. Rather than sitting there doing fuck all do something with your life. No adult should be stuck at minimum wage not a single one and if you are I have zero sympathy. Stop taking stupid arts degrees and degrees in gender studies. Learn a trade, plumbing, mechanic etc all pay well and done even require college

Oh yeah. And they require a large investment to get off the ground. Usually a bank that provides the loan.

You think all of them succeed?

What about the ones who fail? That little cupcake business that went under because a large chain opened up around the corner selling similar things for half the price?
The bank declares bankruptcy eventually and leaves you with a huge debt. And then? No sympathy for the people who tried and failed either?

You seem like a nice person.

[Jester Joe]

You arent really playing devils advocate because thats the result of what the minimum wage laws that you support.

You have an actual study to back that claim up? Or are you not seeing why people, when offered less money to work, would rather just not work and have the government give them the bare minimum, and sometimes even better than that.

No you think people are so retarded they need their hands held by mommy and daddy because they can't possibly go out and do it themselves

Yet again, never said that. "Mommy and Daddy" has nothing to do with the government.

Can we stop with the moving goalposts now?

[Annamarine]

Yeah and average joe isn't going to do something like that so easy, not to mention said people probably had a lot mo money at the time in comparison to regular people now.

No they didn't have a lot of money

Facebook started with $1000

Apple and Microsoft started in a home garage

Google stated while they founders were in college. Why can't the average person find something people want and create it with nearly zero dollars???

Oh right you prefer them working for minimum wage

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its a fucking job
jobs by definition are supposed to be the thing that helps you support your family when you work 40 hours a week......


when the hell did jobs in this country become something you just do for pocket change instead of support your family....

Not every job is going to pay a living wage. If it doesn't work for you find another one

[Jester Joe]

No they didn't have a lot of money

Facebook started with $1000

Apple and Microsoft started in a home garage

Google stated while they founders were in college. Why can't the average person find something people want and create it with nearly zero dollars???

Oh right you prefer them working for minimum wage

You're ignoring the cost of going to college.

Not every job is going to pay a living wage. If it doesn't work for you find another one

Are you really back to this claim after a legal site proved you otherwise?

[Mystrome]

its a fucking job
jobs by definition are supposed to be the thing that helps you support your family when you work 40 hours a week......


when the hell did jobs in this country become something you just do for pocket change instead of support your family....

Or any country for that matter...

[HumbleDuck]

It's a pretty basic formula

And a pretty irrelevant use of said formula, hence the assumption of you being new at this.

[Zan15]

Hmm so the only choice is a 16k a year job or a 75 k a year job impossible to get a 30k a year job ?? Bull shit

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Why should flipping hamburgers pay for a family with a reasonable life? It's entry level work that's why, learn something useful and move up. Get a tiny bit of ambition and do more you can do it don't need the government holding your hand.

So then everyone who is working "entry level" work should get a better job!!

guess there must be 4-5 million extra jobs out there for these people.? Of course that is after 4 years of school, extensive job searches, training, moving, etc etc all having to be done on 7 bucks an hour.

realistic..

[Crissi]

So it the State Law was all ready at $7.70 and it was only St. Louis that passed a city law. Me myself I do think City's should Never be able to make Laws. If I go from one City to another it all should be the same laws in the state. You know that one thing legal in one city will be legal in another. Simple Easy to Enforce and same for every one.

Which would be stupid considering each city has different needs. Stanford, Texas has a MUCH lower COL than say, Austin Texas. Also 2 very different environments and populations.

[Mystrome]

No they didn't have a lot of money

Facebook started with $1000

Apple and Microsoft started in a home garage

Google stated while they founders were in college. Why can't the average person find something people want and create it with nearly zero dollars???

I'm not sure you can call a $50-200k education 'nearly zero dollars'.

[HumbleDuck]

No they didn't have a lot of money

Facebook started with $1000

Apple and Microsoft started in a home garage

Google stated while they founders were in college. Why can't the average person find something people want and create it with nearly zero dollars???

Oh right you prefer them working for minimum wage

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Not every job is going to pay a living wage. If it doesn't work for you find another one

Why can't you be the next Einstein and create a warp drive?

[frogger237]

If minimum wage increases, employment will fall. If minimum wage decreases employment will increase. Elasticity of employment = %change in quantity of labor (divided by) %change in wage.

People don't hire more people because they can get 2 people for the price of one. They hire more people to increase production and profit. If no one can afford to buy shit from your company because everyone is getting paid 7 bucks an hour you have less consumers to sell to and so you gotta lay off people and slow production.

[Zan15]

No they didn't have a lot of money

Facebook started with $1000

Apple and Microsoft started in a home garage

Google stated while they founders were in college. Why can't the average person find something people want and create it with nearly zero dollars???

Oh right you prefer them working for minimum wage

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Not every job is going to pay a living wage. If it doesn't work for you find another one

Sure they will, by the time you get done with govt welfare programs.



sure those people will just walk out and find a magical job unicorn that will hand them another job that pays them a fair wage, when most of the marketplace colludes to keep wages low.

i love people that come up with simple solutions that work for almost no one.

[xeddin]

And a pretty irrelevant use of said formula, hence the assumption of you being new at this.

You must have a small brain

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[Templar 331]

Why can't the average person find something people want and create it with nearly zero dollars???

Oh right you prefer them working for minimum wage

Because someone has to make/maintain the product. Facebook/Google/Microsoft/etc. all have employees that are required to make/maintain their product. We can't ALL be inventors/entrepreneurs.

[Annamarine]

You're ignoring the cost of going to college.



Are you really back to this claim after a legal site proved you otherwise?

I'm waiting for you to show me any website that says minimum wage pays a living wage for a single person much less a family.

Bill gates dropped out

Zuckerberg also dropped out

Steve jobs ohhhh also dropped out

All it takes is ambition and a decent idea.

[Azadina]

its a fucking job
jobs by definition are supposed to be the thing that helps you support your family when you work 40 hours a week......


when the hell did jobs in this country become something you just do for pocket change instead of support your family....

Since people took the "trickle down" economics as their primary/secondary religion.

[xeddin]

People don't hire more people because they can get 2 people for the price of one. They hire more people to increase production and profit. If no one can afford to buy shit from your company because everyone is getting paid 7 bucks an hour you have less consumers to sell to and so you gotta lay off people and slow production.

People may choose not to hire people if they have a small business and cannot afford to, a decrease to minimum wage increases employment

[LedZeppelin]

You have an actual study to back that claim up? Or are you not seeing why people, when offered less money to work, would rather just not work and have the government give them the bare minimum, and sometimes even better than that.

Its in the book I posted early. Also I agree with you, the welfare system as implemented is a terrible idea.

[Annamarine]

So then everyone who is working "entry level" work should get a better job!!

guess there must be 4-5 million extra jobs out there for these people.? Of course that is after 4 years of school, extensive job searches, training, moving, etc etc all having to be done on 7 bucks an hour.

realistic..

Yes everyone should move up in their career there are plenty of jobs to move into not all of which requires college degree. Trades and a lot of technical work is doable and actually has a path up