Volvo to phase out the combustion engine starting in 2019

[Hiricine]

If they think theres enough of a market there more power to them.

[HumbleDuck]

What is cleaner than a horse? Do you get it now? If you set your goal to "clean" this is what you get. Electric engines are not clean, they are just a bit cleaner, and less powerful - do you see the trend?

I'm yet to see a horse doing 0 to 60 under 3 seconds.

[melodramocracy]

The last interesting and visually appealing Volvo stopped production in '73. They can phase themselves out entirely as a company, and I wouldn't give a shit.

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I'm yet to see a horse doing 0 to 60 under 3 seconds.

That's because horses realize that 0-60 is one of the dumbest measures of vehicular performance available.

[HumbleDuck]

The last interesting and visually appealing Volvo stopped production in '73. They can phase themselves out entirely as a company, and I wouldn't give a shit.

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That's because horses realize that 0-60 is one of the dumbest measures of vehicular performance available.

Do you prefer 0-100? Top speed? Range? Comfort? Safety?

[melodramocracy]

Do you prefer 0-100? Top speed? Range? Comfort? Safety?

For performance cars, 20-90 and / or 30-120, 60-0, 90-0, 120-0 (these 3 are very much tied to safety), slalom and skidpad are all far more interesting performance specs in my eyes, as are lap times around the same track in reasonably consistent conditions. Brake fade and potential overheating are good ones to look at as well, though some of this criteria isn't relevant to a grocery getter.

Raw top speed is just bragging rights, as is 1/4 mile times. My big complaint with relying on 0-60 is that for combustion vehicles, it's almost entirely down to traction and how the car's geared. A short geared car is going to have to shift before hitting 60, where another vehicle might not.

Not everyone will agree with me however, and I don't think I'd call myself a typical auto shopper with what my priorities are. I like trunk space but have no use for a rear seat, will absolutely sacrifice comfort for seating support, have zero use for even a radio in a car, etc etc.

[HumbleDuck]

For performance cars, 20-90 and / or 30-120, 60-0, 90-0, 120-0 (these 3 are very much tied to safety), slalom and skidpad are all far more interesting performance specs in my eyes, as are lap times around the same track in reasonably consistent conditions. Brake fade and potential overheating are good ones to look at as well, though some of this criteria isn't relevant to a grocery getter.

Raw top speed is just bragging rights, as is 1/4 mile times. My big complaint with relying on 0-60 is that for combustion vehicles, it's almost entirely down to traction and how the car's geared. A short geared car is going to have to shift before hitting 60, where another vehicle might not.

Not everyone will agree with me however, and I don't think I'd call myself a typical auto shopper with what my priorities are. I like trunk space but have no use for a rear seat, will absolutely sacrifice comfort for seating support, have zero use for even a radio in a car, etc etc.

So, in which category do you find horses more efficient than a Tesla?

[Doctor Funkenstein]

What is cleaner than a horse? Do you get it now? If you set your goal to "clean" this is what you get. Electric engines are not clean, they are just a bit cleaner, and less powerful - do you see the trend?

You totally need a 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 horsepower car to go to the grocery store. MOOOOOOOOAR POWA!!!

And they are significantly cleaner, and more pleasant to drive for anyone who already has a moderately sized dick.

[Linkedblade]

The issue I have is: how is the electricity generated that charge the cars? I mean if the combustion is removed from the cars, then it will be done elsewhere.

[Mormolyce]

Hybrids still use a internal combustion engine as a backup. So the title is misleading if it means they are going to still have hybrids in 2019. Should read; " Volvo to phase out cars with only combustion engines." :P

Don't all electric car engines have a combustion backup?

If your car breaks down you could hitch it to a horse so technically we never phased out the horse and carriage too.

[Linkedblade]

Do you prefer 0-100? Top speed? Range? Comfort? Safety?

Highest speed limit in the US is 85 mph (137 kmh). Top speed is impractical.

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Don't all electric car engines have a combustion backup?

If your car breaks down you could hitch it to a horse so technically we never phased out the horse and carriage too.

Not the Tesla series. They are a battery and motor. If there battery dies, the car doesn't move. It also loses performance at lower amounts of charge

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I'm pretty sure he's trolling. Lithium ion batteries can't leak.

Hopefully they are well insulated, one decent impact and you have a fire ball

[amarristo]

Tesla's model S right now... has a battery warranty of 8 years.... barring its misuse or from accident..... at which point out of pocket it will cost you as of today 45k.... so hope you don't wreck your battery! When electric trucks can transport 4500kg like my diesel over 400km with 12 hrs of idling in a day in -30 to -40 C i will buy one, till then i will stick to the ICE.

[Zmaniac17]

Hopefully they are well insulated, one decent impact and you have a fire ball

They are fire resistant. You won't have a fireball. There was a case in 2013 where the battery did catch fire. The car told the driver to stop and get out of the car and they were not hurt. You're about 5 times more likely to have a fire in a gasoline powered car.

Newer lithium batteries are coming that can literally be cut, punctured and have pieces broken off of them and they don't catch fire and still function.

[Masark]

This graph only shows the range with a constant speed. In reality you have to break and accelerate all the time, severly reducing the range.

Much less so in the case of electrics (or even just hybrids), due to regenerative braking. Stop and go is something they excel at, exactly the opposite of ICE.

Before. The model 3 starts at $35K and is available now.

Available for order. They're expecting the first one to roll off the assembly line on Friday and the first 30 to be in their owners' hands by the end of the month. Then they say they'll have 100 built in August, 1500 in September, ramping up to 20k/month in December.

According to what I can find, there are currently over 400,000 preorders, so that's about a 2 year waiting list if you order one right now. Not a prospect for the impatient.

So battery acid is not corrosive and dangerous.

Tesla and everyone else uses Li-ion or Ni-MH batteries, not lead-acid, so there isn't any acid to leak.

[Echiyo]

Global warming arguments aside, advances in battery and renewable electricity technology will drive prices low enough that it will be cheaper than fossil fuels. And that's all the industry and consumers ultimately care about.

What I'm interested in is if/when automated car technology will become required once it's clear that self-driving cars obliterate vehicular death rates.

[Rennadrel]

Reasonable ..... 35k. #alluvmywhut
in 2010, i bought a brand new hyundai accent for 9900 dollars. The thing practically ran on fumes.
Get me an electric car for sub-10k US dollars, and we'll talk.

I remember when the base Accent model was around 7k, now you can't even get one for under 10k brand new. The base model cars were good value but had almost nothing in them.

[Tackhisis]

Gas is reliable and stable. It is also safe and easy to handle.
Batteries are unreliable, degrading, loosing charge, depending on temperature, relying on electronics to not randomly explode and generally unsafe.

[Elim Garak]

I'm pretty sure he's trolling. Lithium ion batteries can't leak.

Yeah, right. They don't explode either.

I'm yet to see a horse doing 0 to 60 under 3 seconds.

That was not even my point. But do you really need such acceleration for your grocery runs?

You totally need a 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 horsepower car to go to the grocery store. MOOOOOOOOAR POWA!!!

And they are significantly cleaner, and more pleasant to drive for anyone who already has a moderately sized dick.

I walk to get my groceries. I'm clean.

[Cosmic Janitor]

electric cars are a meme tbh

The only meme is that some fools on the internet started calling everything they disagree with a meme now.

Cringeworthy.

Also why the fuck would volvo do that. Around here they are know to build oversized super heavy cars like modern SUVs before they were even invented. Worst starting point for an electric vehicle.

[Zephire]

Never thought I'd use the phrase "why are people so but hurt over this?" but it seems fitting. It's a great thing what Volvo is doing. Electric cars seems to be the future and they perform quite good to be honest. Surely they can become better. I do not understand why people are negative about this shift? If you were forced to use a inferior car due to regulations then I'd get it but this is just progress. They're making better electric cars than before and while they might not fit your demands just yet, I'm sure they will in the future, and maybe exceed them? Be happy for the progress, eventually you'll have even better cars then currently. Until then, drive whatever you want, nothing is stopping you (except if you're driving a tank, I guess!).

[Elim Garak]

Never thought I'd use the phrase "why are people so but hurt over this?" but it seems fitting. It's a great thing what Volvo is doing. Electric cars seems to be the future and they perform quite good to be honest. Surely they can become better. I do not understand why people are negative about this shift? If you were forced to use a inferior car due to regulations then I'd get it but this is just progress. They're making better electric cars than before and while they might not fit your demands just yet, I'm sure they will in the future, and maybe exceed them? Be happy for the progress, eventually you'll have even better cars then currently. Until then, drive whatever you want, nothing is stopping you (except if you're driving a tank, I guess!).

Oh please, Volvo is just trying to cash in on the fad.