Will the USA every have free healthcare?

[Deleted]

Please don't be pedantic and say free healthcare isn't actually free, we're aware we pay via taxes but it's free in the sense we don't pay a bill

So do you think the USA will ever adapt to a healthcare system similar to the NHS? I know the US on whole isn't a huge fan of welfare systems partly due to Capitalism but it can not be ignored that the statistics regarding people dying simply because they couldn't afford healthcare is alarming

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...alth-coverage/).

[oxymoronic]

do europeans even understand obamacare? they ask this question like we havent had free healthcare for the poor for a while now. and why do the well off need free healthcare? i dont mind the single payer system myself but the question is absurd and misinformed.

also people dying cause they cant afford healthcare? BULL FUCKING SHIT

[Kathandira]

Please don't be pedantic and say free healthcare isn't actually free, we're aware we pay via taxes but it's free in the sense we don't pay a bill

So do you think the USA will ever adapt to a healthcare system similar to the NHS? I know the US on whole isn't a huge fan of welfare systems partly due to Capitalism but it can not be ignored that the statistics regarding people dying simply because they couldn't afford healthcare is alarming (https://images-gmi-pmc.edge-generalm...a02a4e6f1a.jpg).

Not likely in my life time. But I hope that the U.S. can raise it's self back up to a first world country eventually.

[oxymoronic]

Not likely in my life time. But I hope that the U.S. can raise it's self back up to a first world country eventually.

you obviously dont live in the USA

[Kathandira]

you obviously dont live in the USA

I surely do. I live in NJ.

[KrotosTheTank]

Where will the Canadians go when their waitlist for certain surgeries is too long? I look at it like this, for day to day stuff, "free" healthcare is great, but for major issues that require heavy medical attention you can either win a sort of lottery (schedule treatments and get them all on time) or work really hard (100% chance of treatment, not cheap). Personally, I'd prefer the option that lets me attempt to control my fate, not one where i must hope for the best.

I think it's more important to just curb costs in general. Find out why drug provider X is charging 10x what drug provider Y is. I'm ok with it costing 10x more if the product warrants it, but price hiking for the sake of it is shit, and our insurance companies are partly to blame. They want their "deals" so they can give you a "good" price, but that requires the MSRP of said product to skyrocket.

[Independent voter]

I think if you marry a Canadian wife you get free health care.

[satimy]

Nothing is free

But I think we're on the path to socialized insurance

[Independent voter]

Nothing is free

But I think we're on the path to socialized insurance

Yeah, I'll go with this. It'll probably be 30 years before it's decent though. One of the Nordic countries has socialized insurance. I don't know why we just didn't copy them at the start.

[zenkai]

Please don't be pedantic and say free healthcare isn't actually free, we're aware we pay via taxes but it's free in the sense we don't pay a bill

So do you think the USA will ever adapt to a healthcare system similar to the NHS? I know the US on whole isn't a huge fan of welfare systems partly due to Capitalism but it can not be ignored that the statistics regarding people dying simply because they couldn't afford healthcare is alarming (https://images-gmi-pmc.edge-generalm...a02a4e6f1a.jpg).

Better if we call it Universal Healthcare.

I think we will, Obamacare fucked up insurance for everyone it's only a matter of time.

[I Push Buttons]

I think we will start with a public option and then the private health insurance market will start to shrink until the public option (which will basically be single payer at that point since it will be the largest insurer) is replaced with an actual codified single payer system.

[Mittens]

German healthcare ftw!!!

[Z-Man]

No profit in it, no one wants to pay for it, and there's a lot of people that want to see the sick dying in the street. A few blue states may be willing to roll their own mini-NHS, but most states would rather go the Thunderdome route.

[Bakis]

also people dying cause they cant afford healthcare? BULL FUCKING SHIT

You dont know much about the system then.

[Lollis]

also people dying cause they cant afford healthcare? BULL FUCKING SHIT

The studies go back a couple of years because they are quite rare but you are still just plain wrong.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2775760/
http://www.urban.org/sites/default/f...ause-of-It.PDF

These are from 2008/2009. But i'm sure there are others more recent out there too.

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Better if we call it Universal Healthcare.

I think we will, Obamacare fucked up insurance for everyone it's only a matter of time.

Or just call it the Affordable Care Act.

[Deleted]

The studies go back a couple of years because they are very rare but you are still just plain wrong.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2775760/
http://www.urban.org/sites/default/f...ause-of-It.PDF

These are from 2008/2009. But i'm sure there are others more recent out there too.

Apparently I posted wrong URL in my OP XD

[cubby]

Please don't be pedantic and say free healthcare isn't actually free, we're aware we pay via taxes but it's free in the sense we don't pay a bill

So do you think the USA will ever adapt to a healthcare system similar to the NHS? I know the US on whole isn't a huge fan of welfare systems partly due to Capitalism but it can not be ignored that the statistics regarding people dying simply because they couldn't afford healthcare is alarming (https://images-gmi-pmc.edge-generalm...a02a4e6f1a.jpg).

I don't think we ever will, no. It would take removing billion dollar industries to create it - remove the insurance carriers and their publicly traded companies. It's the U.S.'s biggest pitfall when it comes to health insurance.

I think we will have more affordable healthcare once people stop being insanely partisan and loosen up a little by helping people instead of almost literally killing them. But in the current political atmosphere, that still might take awhile.

Did I answer you question? I know others will as well, but I wanted to make sure I didn't slip the issue you wanted addressed.

[Direpenguin]

Somethings the free market can't take care of. Healthcare is one of them. It's complex because everything tied to healthcare needs to be addressed. From schooling costs all the way to what drugs cost. Our current system blows and is only going to get worse and not better in the future.

And none of that has anything to do with free market. It has to do with government controls, outrageous regulations, drug import laws and guaranteed money from government assistance that has jacked the cost of the healthcare system through the roof.

Christ, the retardation of the "but, meh, capitalism..." crowd is getting out of hand. And so far the only solution the (so-called) progressives have is to just throw MORE government money at it, via higher taxes.

[Deleted]

I hope. We in germany have state driven health care, and it works like a charm. If i get sick, i get paid by the health care after 3 weeks, and hospital visits wont make be bankrupt or lose my savings.

[Bakis]

I got the hefty sum of 10$ when I visit the doctor, 20-30$ if it is a specialist doctor.